Cybertruck bed vault lighting is so clean (clearest photo yet)

[newwave1331]

I’d guess, roughly:

COGS vs COGM vs [utility to customer] vs [consequences to product]

where:

COGS = ~target market MSRP of CT

COGM = ~assembly and materials OpEx

[utility 2 c] = : ~how many folks will actually use it (and be willing to pay for it)

[consequences] = ~ eg added weight, reduced range, effect on crashworthiness, effect on repair costs, etc., etc.,

in all, basically, “juice not worth the squeeze”

A power lowering rear window should not be that difficult. It already appears to be slanted to the rear wall angle. They have 2/3 of the rear wall to utilize for strength/safety.

I agree that the return on investment of a midgate doesnt pencil for most buyers. Seats attached to a movable structure doesn't sound to safe.

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[cvalue13]

A power lowering rear window should not be that difficult. It already appears to be slanted to the rear wall angle. They have 2/3 of the rear wall to utilize for strength/safety.

nobody said difficult

around here at least I think I was the first to point out the slant etc, all because I hoped for it

but appears Tesla has crunched the numbers and decided my hopes aren’t their deciding factor

 

[tidmutt]

I’d guess, roughly:

COGS vs COGM vs [utility to customer] vs [consequences to product]

where:

COGS = ~target market MSRP of CT

COGM = ~assembly and materials OpEx

[utility 2 c] = : ~how many folks will actually use it (and be willing to pay for it)

[consequences] = ~ eg added weight, reduced range, effect on crashworthiness, effect on repair costs, etc., etc.,

in all, basically, “juice not worth the squeeze”

I can understand that for the midgate, but why is adding retractable window glass so cost prohibitive? Sure, extra mechanism, motor etc. but seems fairly small compared to the added utility for camping etc. which has to be a fairly significant market.

 

[Throwcomputer]

Pass-thru?

Quit hogging the joint

It won't die! FFS

 

[tidmutt]

nobody said difficult

around here at least I think I was the first to point out the slant etc, all because I hoped for it

but appears Tesla has crunched the numbers and decided my hopes aren’t their deciding factor

Well Musk did say it's an insane technology bandwagon or something to that effect. So it's an insane technological bandwagon missing a whole bunch of cool crap.

I'm hoping the other "insane technology" in it offsets the drop in usefulness for camping.

I've been lusting after the CT since the launch event, but there have been times lately where I consider just running my Y Perf into the ground and skipping the truck. Guess we'll see when they announce the actual specs.

 

[RayzorBEV]

I can understand that for the midgate, but why is adding retractable window glass so cost prohibitive? Sure, extra mechanism, motor etc. but seems fairly small compared to the added utility for camping etc. which has to be a fairly significant market.

I asked the same question to Rivian back in 2020 why they don't they have a sliding window or a drop down window on the R1T which have a similar powered retractable tonneau cover and their answer is there is no demand...Go figure.

 

[cvalue13]

Sure, extra mechanism, motor etc. but seems fairly small compared to the added utility for camping etc. which has to be a fairly significant market.

that’s the thing

I don’t think there is much of any added utility for camping

First, I don’t think many are going to be willing to sleep in this vault. It’s 6’1” only at the bed floor, with bulkhead sloping forward. Anyone near 6’ going to fit comfortably only diagonally,~solo. And, vault closed, it’s going to be like a coffin. Not saying no one would, but it’ll be unattractive space for most.

Second, the window rolling down does almost nothing to improve the space. It was always a niece dream to think that rolling down that rear window could materially condition heat/cool the vault. Take one ride in a truck without rear seat vents and that’ll prove out.

I could go on and elaborate, but ultimately many of the ideas floating around would meet a reality that - if nothing else, Tesla would be very unlikely to *advertise* as a meaningful use-case.

And for those still insisting on these use cases, there’ll be aftermarket solutions to address these things. Replacement rear windows with sliders and attachable vent fans, pop-ups, etc.

None of this is to say there’s be zero utility. Instead that there would be low utility, and people dying to do it will have other options than Tesla building it into every unit to come off the assembly line.

 

[tidmutt]

that’s the thing

I don’t think there is much of any added utility for camping

First, I don’t think many are going to be willing to sleep in this vault. It’s 6’1” only at the bed floor, with bulkhead sloping forward. Anyone near 6’ going to fit comfortably only diagonally,~solo. And, vault closed, it’s going to be like a coffin. Not saying no one would, but it’ll be unattractive space for most.

Second, the window rolling down does almost nothing to improve the space. It was always a niece dream to think that rolling down that rear window could materially condition heat/cool the vault. Take one ride in a truck without rear seat vents and that’ll prove out.

I could go on and elaborate, but ultimately many of the ideas floating around would meet a reality that - if nothing else, Tesla would be very unlikely to *advertise* as a meaningful use-case.

And for those still insisting on these use cases, there’ll be aftermarket solutions to address these things. Replacement rear windows with sliders and attachable vent fans, pop-ups, etc.

None of this is to say there’s be zero utility. Instead that there would be low utility, and people dying to do it will have other options than Tesla building it into every unit to come off the assembly line.

Hmmmm... fair enough, but if the window dropped, then Tesla accessories division plus after market could very easily sell fan inserts etc. to extract cooled air from the cabin and better push it into the vault. That is a much simpler retrofit then replacing the glass. It could also help cool/heat attached tents. I've seen reviews of tents that attach to the Y trunk and the feedback was that heating and cooling was somewhat effective even in the tent, especially if the tent was insulated. Beyond HVAC, there is also being able to reach into the rear seat and grab things. Saying that, perhaps the number of people who would perceive this as useful is small.

Failing that, some other way of providing heating or cooling. I suppose some of these portable A/C units available now, plugged into the CT could be effective.

I also wonder if the bed with the cover closed would feel too claustrophobic given that it slants up to the roof line and so if your feet are at the tailgate, you'd have quite a bit of space over your head. Yes, it would be dark. Or, the aftermarket (or Tesla accessories) could supply other options making the bed a more comfortable, water resistant place to sleep without closing the cover.

It just seem to me that no A/C in the bed (regardless of how) reduces the options.

I understand it all comes down to cost, manufacturability etc. Just a use case I would like addressed from what is likely to be quite an expensive vehicle.

 

[AlDente]

I dont know for sure but I'm gonna say yes

I don't know either but I'll say no ...

 

[Gurule92]

No access or HVAC from cabin to vault

no rolling window, no midgate, no pass-through

just truck

I feel like slide down window wouldn't be special. It's pretty normal on trucks in 2023. So idk if just truck would be the right phrasing. Maybe just put time and effort into boring stuff like led strip instead.

 

[Gurule92]

that’s the thing

I don’t think there is much of any added utility for camping

First, I don’t think many are going to be willing to sleep in this vault. It’s 6’1” only at the bed floor, with bulkhead sloping forward. Anyone near 6’ going to fit comfortably only diagonally,~solo. And, vault closed, it’s going to be like a coffin. Not saying no one would, but it’ll be unattractive space for most.

Second, the window rolling down does almost nothing to improve the space. It was always a niece dream to think that rolling down that rear window could materially condition heat/cool the vault. Take one ride in a truck without rear seat vents and that’ll prove out.

I could go on and elaborate, but ultimately many of the ideas floating around would meet a reality that - if nothing else, Tesla would be very unlikely to *advertise* as a meaningful use-case.

And for those still insisting on these use cases, there’ll be aftermarket solutions to address these things. Replacement rear windows with sliders and attachable vent fans, pop-ups, etc.

None of this is to say there’s be zero utility. Instead that there would be low utility, and people dying to do it will have other options than Tesla building it into every unit to come off the assembly line.

I have a use case for you.

Opening the window while driving.

Seems pretty straight forward 2 me.

I'd even go for a sliding window like my ancient silveraydo had

 

[RayzorBEV]

Hmmmm... fair enough, but if the window dropped, then Tesla accessories division plus after market could very easily sell fan inserts etc. to extract cooled air from the cabin and better push it into the vault. That is a much simpler retrofit then replacing the glass. It could also help cool/heat attached tents. I've seen reviews of tents that attach to the Y trunk and the feedback was that heating and cooling was somewhat effective even in the tent, especially if the tent was insulated. Beyond HVAC, there is also being able to reach into the rear seat and grab things. Saying that, perhaps the number of people who would perceive this as useful is small.

Failing that, some other way of providing heating or cooling. I suppose some of these portable A/C units available now, plugged into the CT could be effective.

I also wonder if the bed with the cover closed would feel too claustrophobic given that it slants up to the roof line and so if your feet are at the tailgate, you'd have quite a bit of space over your head. Yes, it would be dark. Or, the aftermarket (or Tesla accessories) could supply other options making the bed a more comfortable, water resistant place to sleep without closing the cover.

It just seem to me that no A/C in the bed (regardless of how) reduces the options.

I understand it all comes down to cost, manufacturability etc. Just a use case I would like addressed from what is likely to be quite an expensive vehicle.

How about just a pop off rear window secured with a couple of latches? Easy peasy. Tesla can offer this later on or any aftermarket vendor can retro-fit one, so long as the rear window is not functioning as a structural component.
Anyone care to suggest this to Elon on X?

 

[fritter63]

Is that back wall of the vault stainless now?

Or silver reflective plastic???

Really kinda wish the L-trac was also on the floor, to allow for "jigs" to be secured for holding stuff. Sure, I can still build something that locks to the L-trac and then goes down the side.....

 

[tidmutt]

How about just a pop off rear window secured with a couple of latches? Easy peasy. Tesla can offer this later on or any aftermarket vendor can retro-fit one, so long as the rear window is not functioning as a structural component.
Anyone care to suggest this to Elon on X?

I suppose that would work, latches seem kind of 80s minivan, but sure, I'll take it.

 

[fritter63]

I'm just curious what cargo they've been carrying back there to get it that filthy.

NHTSA "Real Truck (tm)" testing protocol......

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