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Yep, It would have been much better if there was 400 lbs. of bricks in the frunk. I also would have stacked the bricks in a descending level front to back to get more weight forward. And I hope they did air up to 65 lbs.

Overloading a truck is more about doing it right than following the limits to a "T".
Yep, I'd worry about tires, suspension, and BRAKES if you have to stop suddenly.
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Yep, I'd worry about tires, suspension, and BRAKES if you have to stop suddenly.
Yeah, tires and axles were overloaded.
Brakes might have been ok. Sub 3k trailers don't require brakes (except in three states), so there may have been sufficient GCWR ability. Especially with a partly discharged pack.
 

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Yeah, tires and axles were overloaded.
Brakes might have been ok. Sub 3k trailers don't require brakes (except in three states), so there may have been sufficient GCWR ability. Especially with a partly discharged pack.
And the trailers should have all of the truck's wheels equally loaded, not the rear ones overloaded. Very different braking reaction.
 


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Until you get in a wreck, and the load is exceeded the vehicle rating and you’re at fault.

I’ve seen many cases, dozens, through the years where a person was injured, mutilated or killed, due to overloaded vehicles and/or trailers, or trailers being too heavy for the vehicle’s rating.
Every time, that vehicle operator was at fault. Some, went to prison.
And not one was a semi. All passenger vehicles.

Since you have seen dozens of cases of passenger vehicle operators with overloaded vehicles in accidents where passenger vehicle operator with overloaded vehicle was charged FOR the overloading, please provide case details for at least one (accident date, town, model vehicle).
 
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Since you have seen dozens of cases of passenger vehicle operators with overloaded vehicles in accidents where passenger vehicle operator with overloaded vehicle was charged FOR the overloading, please provide case details for at least one (accident date, town, model vehicle).
Recall details of cases over the last 30 years? OK… ?
 

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Recall details of cases over the last 30 years? OK… ?
I dunno about you, but I can recall every time a vehicle I have driven in the last thirty years has been damaged. Heck, I can also list the times I have pulled over and rendered assistance. None of the times did any officials (insurance or otherwise) ask how the vehicles were laden.

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I dunno about you, but I can recall every time a vehicle I have driven in the last thirty years has been damaged. Heck, I can also list the times I have pulled over and rendered assistance. None of the times did any officials (insurance or otherwise) ask how the vehicles were laden.

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I dunno about you, but I can recall every time a vehicle I have driven in the last thirty years has been damaged. Heck, I can also list the times I have pulled over and rendered assistance. None of the times did any officials (insurance or otherwise) ask how the vehicles were laden.

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Again, it sounds like you are assuming they were a driver. May be with police, fire, or tow company...

Also, were you or they driving an obviously overloaded or even possibly overloaded vehicle during any of those events?

He asked for one case, that's it.
Why are people arguing that, in the event of an accident, the overloaded status of a vehicle would not be a liability in terms of responsibility and potential charges?

Even without a crash, personal vehicles are not exempt from weight checks and fines.
 

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Not a case, but an example. 4-way intersection. Cybertruck is gets t-boned by a crossing car.
The Cybertruck is overloaded.
The Cybertruck is operating illegally with overload.

Do a search on "overloaded pickup accidents" and if nothing else, see how many firms are ready to help the crossing car out.
 

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Again, it sounds like you are assuming they were a driver. May be with police, fire, or tow company...

Also, were you or they driving an obviously overloaded or even possibly overloaded vehicle during any of those events?


Why are people arguing that, in the event of an accident, the overloaded status of a vehicle would not be a liability in terms of responsibility and potential charges?

Even without a crash, personal vehicles are not exempt from weight checks and fines.
To be clear, an over-loaded vehicle is definitely a liability. But prosecution of over-loaded personal vehicles is not done in a majority of cases. What people don't realize is the simple fact that the vehicle is over the rated limits does not provide an airtight case for a prosecutor, they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the damage was caused by the over-loaded condition. Unless you are speaking of a simple ticket for driving over the weight limits, then the standard is a preponderance of the evidence.

People need to take safety seriously, that said, I've driven over the ratings many times in my life, and it was safe to do so. The devil is in the details.
 

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To be clear, an over-loaded vehicle is definitely a liability. But prosecution of over-loaded personal vehicles is not done in a majority of cases. What people don't realize is the simple fact that the vehicle is over the rated limits does not provide an airtight case for a prosecutor, they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the damage was caused by the over-loaded condition. Unless you are speaking of a simple ticket for driving over the weight limits, then the standard is a preponderance of the evidence.

People need to take safety seriously, that said, I've driven over the ratings many times in my life, and it was safe to do so. The devil is in the details.
Want to watch a show? Watch an overloaded garden trailer break its axel in the middle of an Interstate.
Of for that matter am overloaded pickup truck.

Who is at fault then?
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