Cybertruck Highway Range Test (Dual-Motor AWD) -- Run Until Battery Empty (by Out Of Spec)

[HaulingAss]

LOL. Never said they would. Just pondering IF they would.

No, Tesla would not consider double-stacking batteries, it's dumb. If you want that, you have to ask GM. They will make you happy.

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[Crissa]

Does no one drive off the freeway?

Why all this focus on driving 80?

Like, I live about six miles from a freeway. Most of the US acreage is nowhere near a freeway. And I'd have to travel two hours to get to a flatland freeway with 70 mph, which I understand is not exactly common, but most of the west is like that. Most valleys don't have a freeway, let along a high-speed interstate. I grew up more than two to four hours from an interstate.

I want to take the truck to places in the mountains, which won't have 80mph speed limits, either.

Like, are you taking lumber so far on the freeway? Camping on a freeway? I don't get it.

No, Tesla would not consider double-stacking batteries, it's dumb. If you want that, you have to ask GM. They will make you happy.

The rumor was the 500 mile needed double stacked batteries. They stack their cells in the Semi. Tesla will do what's needed to address the widest market... Which isn't, at this point, 200kWh batteries.

-Crissa

 

[Woodrick]

Does no one drive off the freeway?

Why all this focus on driving 80?

Like, I live about six miles from a freeway. Most of the US acreage is nowhere near a freeway. And I'd have to travel two hours to get to a flatland freeway with 70 mph, which I understand is not exactly common, but most of the west is like that. Most valleys don't have a freeway, let along a high-speed interstate. I grew up more than two to four hours from an interstate.

I want to take the truck to places in the mountains, which won't have 80mph speed limits, either.

Like, are you taking lumber so far on the freeway? Camping on a freeway? I don't get it.

-Crissa

Most folks do live a lot closer.
Everyone just brings up that number because they heard someone else repeat it.

In Texas, the speed limit can be 80 (as well as other states) But I'm pretty sure that east of the Mississippi, speeds are all 70 and below (maybe a 75 here or there).
And Interstate speeds are around 80.

But that goes back to the BS that speed is a problem. Another version of the same uninformed complaint is that I travel more than the battery range.

Non-EV drivers just don't understand EVs and they recently have been programmed to think that chargers are a big problem. Tesla owners know just how much BS that is.
They don't realize that doing 85 mph for daily driving isn't a problem. Something like 95% of the country drives less than 100 miles every day.

They just don't realize that after you get up to about 150 miles, RANGE DOESN'T MATTER!

 

[Crissa]

Yep, at that point it's recharge speed.

As everyone needs to pee, to eat, to stretch and clear their heads, refill their cup.

Also, people don't seem to understand that modern EVs will just tell you the speed and power consumption for each leg of the journey. No thinking needed, no standing by a gas pump.

The numbers say I spend almost three hours a year fueling my Mazda. Probably more, for the time I had to wait my turn, or get a receipt from a broken machine... I've spent maybe an hour waiting for my Zero to charge in the same time? Like, took the freeway ad burned extra juice, then decided to get a pastry and order takeout on the way home instead of just riding slower. It was my choice to spend time my way.

-Crissa

 

[Woodrick]

Yep, at that point it's recharge speed.

As everyone needs to pee, to eat, to stretch and clear their heads, refill their cup.

Also, people don't seem to understand that modern EVs will just tell you the speed and power consumption for each leg of the journey. No thinking needed, no standing by a gas pump.

The numbers say I spend almost three hours a year fueling my Mazda. Probably more, for the time I had to wait, get a receipt, I've spent maybe an hour waiting for my Zero to charge in the same time? Like, took the freeway, then decided to get a pastry and order takeout on the way home instead of just riding slower. It was my choice to spend time my way.

-Crissa

And for some folks, that's the only time that you get to play some of the games or watch some video.

 

[Strykerwsu]

Most folks do live a lot closer.
Everyone just brings up that number because they heard someone else repeat it.

In Texas, the speed limit can be 80 (as well as other states) But I'm pretty sure that east of the Mississippi, speeds are all 70 and below (maybe a 75 here or there).
And Interstate speeds are around 80.

But that goes back to the BS that speed is a problem. Another version of the same uninformed complaint is that I travel more than the battery range.

Non-EV drivers just don't understand EVs and they recently have been programmed to think that chargers are a big problem. Tesla owners know just how much BS that is.
They don't realize that doing 85 mph for daily driving isn't a problem. Something like 95% of the country drives less than 100 miles every day.

They just don't realize that after you get up to about 150 miles, RANGE DOESN'T MATTER!

The problem is those of us that often have 7 hour trips, we want them to be 7 hours and not 9:40 as ABRP currentl assumes for CT for a trip I often take. So I think disappointment is the proper word, most of us hoped EV‘s would be further ahead by now And the CT would lead that way.

I agree for 90% of daily they are perfect. However having an ICE car for trips like this once a month isn’t practical for most. I’m lucky that I can do both but for sustainability efforts having 1 vehicle that can do all is the hope.

CT does a lot of it and maybe they blow us away with Gem 4 chargers.

 

[CyberGus]

I grew up more than two to four hours from an interstate.

Did you walk to the interstate??

 

[ninja6r]

Tesla knows they don't have to have a truck for every single use case. Currently, electric trucks only make up less than 1% of the truck market. They don't have to replace 100% of trucks for another decade or more, so they are focussing on the majority of the pickup truck market that never does long-distance towing.

BTW, it's not true there are no pull through Superchargers.

Hot damn man. Go back and read what I wrote. I AGREE with you. I don't think we'll see that trim of truck for 10-20 years.

I also, literally, never said there were no pull through superchargers.

I swear every time I try and come back to see cool shit, I get people who want to argue without reading what I wrote.

 

[ninja6r]

No, Tesla would not consider double-stacking batteries, it's dumb. If you want that, you have to ask GM. They will make you happy.

Well, they are doing a stupid range extender(..well, maybe), so I wouldn't put it past them

 

[Bkb13]

So, for better or worse, people would do themselves a big favor to just accept the fact that Tesla has not released the trim level equivalent to the ‘19 ‘Tri-Motor’ and that Tesla doesn’t appear to intend to anytime soon (they’ve only previewed a ‘25 single motor).

I’ve seen you say this multiple times over the past months and I get what you are saying, but I disagree. My understanding of your argument is that since they didn’t release a built in 500 miles of range, then the 2019 tri-motor is a different truck from the 2023 tri-motor Beast. Only because of range…. Which makes some sense since teslas models are diffentiated by performance and range. But I would argue that they got there, but in a different way. Let me explain.

look at the presentation in 2019 and you see them presenting 7 variables.

1. # Motors
2. Range
3. 0-60
4. Top Speed
5. Payload
6. Tow Rating
7. Price

Out of all of these factors, the primary way they differentiate each model was with a name based on the number of motors: single, dual, tri-motor. Fast forward to today and the 2023 delivery presentation, they presented a single, dual, and tri motor. The major difference is they renamed them from a motor variant to: Rear wheel drive, AWD, cyber beast.

The only significant difference in between the tri motor of 2019 and the tri motor of 2023 has been the range and price. As the saying goes, all of the other variables are close enough for government work.

To build the truck from 2019, I believe they presented us with the Range Extender. Which when you equip it on a cyberbeast, you come really close. To all intents, constructions, and purposes, these are the same truck. In fact I doubt Tesla ever builds a long range cyber truck since they have the RE.

Name: tri motor vs Cyberbeast(+RE)
1. # Motors: 3 each
2. Range: 500 vs 440
3. 0-60: 2.9 vs 2.6 (with RE it should still be under 3.
4. Top Speed: 130 vs 130
5. Payload: 2500 vs 2500
6. Tow Rating: 14000 vs 11000
7. Price: $69,900 vs $96,390 (+16k for RE)

It seems disingenuous for someone from Tesla (if you are paraphrasing a source) to be saying that the Cyberbeast+RE is not the 2019 tri motor. It tries to deliver on the main 7 model differentiators that were presented in 2019, and I think it does an adequate job of shrinking the gap. From my 4 years of perspective I am relatively pleased.

 

[cvalue13]

60-0 on the other hand…

 

[CyberMoose]

60-0 on the other hand…

This is my worry for the Cybertruck.

I drive my model 3 pretty responsibly but I definitely had fun with it quite a few times and if I get a friend of a friend in there that has never rode in a Tesla, I'll show them the acceleration and how it handles.

I'm not saying I won't have fun with my Cybertruck but I at least understand that it is a heavy truck and won't stop as short as any car that can drive like that.

Bigger brakes and bigger tires only go so far with helping this problem and unfortunately, like most situations in the world, people are going to have to learn from the first stupid person who goes too far.

 

[cvalue13]

It seems disingenuous for someone from Tesla (if you are paraphrasing a source) to be saying that the Cyberbeast+RE is not the 2019 tri motor.

no, that’s me saying it, because it is what it is

trim names are arbitrary

the *thing* at issue, in 2019, was a trim that was a long range and heavy duty (in truck parlance) version of the CyberTruck.

they have not released a long range, heavy duty, version of the CyberTruck.

it’s identical duty to the AWD, and shorter range than the AWD.


I’ll use an analogy to make my point:

In 2022, Jeep showed a concept all electric, 2dr, wrangler on 40” tires.

Jeep sells the 4xe, which is only hybrid, only comes in 4dr, on 35” tires.

Saying the ‘24 Cyberbeast is the ‘19 ‘Tri-Motor,’ is like saying the 4xe is the Magneto 2.0.

That isn’t fixed by saying “It’s still a jeep, the doors still come off, it still can run on electricity, and 35” is real close to 40””


Tesla has not released a long range, heavy duty, Cybertruck.

Saying the Cyberbeast trim is a ‘partial’ version of the ‘19 ‘Tri-Motor’ is as meaningful as saying the 4xe is a ‘partial’ version of the Magneto 2.0.

The ONLY thing that causes this confusion is that the two trims both have three motors.

Magneto and 4xe also both have electric motors.

EDIT TO ADD:

what’s being missed here is the purpose to which a trim’s features are combined - the market it addresses.

ALL the talk here over the past months and years go to show that almost everyone who selected the ‘19 tri motor did so for the range and towing. That it was fast was determinative for very few (any?)

meanwhile and conversely, people selecting the Cyberbeast are doing so now primarily because it’s fast, and certainly not for the range or towing.

it just makes no sense to think of the Cyberbeast as the ‘19 Tri-Motor, or some half-baked version of the Tri-Motor. That’s just not how trim offerings work.

It’d be like saying the Lightning XLT is just the Platinum absent the things that collectively Ford calls the Platinum trim.

 

[Bkb13]

no, that’s me saying it, because it is what it is

trim names are arbitrary

the *thing* at issue, in 2019, was a trim that was a long range and heavy duty (in truck parlance) version of the CyberTruck.

they have not released a long range, heavy duty, version of the CyberTruck.

it’s identical duty to the AWD, and shorter range than the AWD.


I’ll use an analogy to make my point:

In 2022, Jeep showed a concept all electric, 2dr, wrangler on 40” tires.

Jeep sells the 4xe, which is only hybrid, only comes in 4dr, on 35” tires.

Saying the ‘24 Cyberbeast is the ‘19 ‘Tri-Motor,’ is like saying the 4xe is the Magneto 2.0.

That isn’t fixed by saying “It’s still a jeep, the doors still come off, it still can run on electricity, and 35” is real close to 40””


Tesla has not released a long range, heavy duty, Cybertruck.

Saying the Cyberbeast trim is a ‘partial’ version of the ‘19 ‘Tri-Motor’ is as meaningful as saying the 4xe is a ‘partial’ version of the Magneto 2.0.

The ONLY thing that causes this confusion is that the two trims both have three motors.

Magneto and 4xe also both have electric motors.

EDIT TO ADD:

what’s being missed here is the purpose to which a trim’s features are combined - the market it addresses.

ALL the talk here over the past months and years go to show that almost everyone who selected the ‘19 tri motor did so for the range and towing. That it was fast was determinative for very few (any?)

meanwhile and conversely, people selecting the Cyberbeast are doing so now primarily because it’s fast, and certainly not for the range or towing.

it just makes no sense to think of the Cyberbeast as the ‘19 Tri-Motor, or some half-baked version of the Tri-Motor. That’s just not how trim offerings work.

It’d be like saying the Lightning XLT is just the Platinum absent the things that collectively Ford calls the Platinum trim.

So what makes it heavy duty then? Tow rating is the only variable left outstanding.

 

[CyberGus]

60-0 on the other hand…

I got insurance ?‍

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