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I'm going to make you feel better, now... When I bought my Tesla Model X, since Tesla doesn't have dealers, I had to pay $10,000 sales tax and registration when I registered it in my home state!
Where's the emoji for "ouch" or "sorry man" or "ooof"?





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...He has regretted the decision from Day 1, because he can't get to the city on a single charge, especially in winter.
Very few people live 200 miles from 'the city' tho, even in Canada. Definitely a bad choice for him, but it would have been good for us ^-^ But I'd just bought a car in 2012 so I'm not due until 2022.

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PS, I have bought a car every year ending in a 2 since 1992. ^-^
 

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I suspect that whatever incentives are offered by the incoming administration will be tailored to be most beneficial to every EV maker other than Tesla.
I know bringing the EV credits back is part of the new admins plans. However, knowing how Elon is a big GOP supporter (which makes NO sense considering their stance on climate change and love of big oil) I can see their being some blowback.
 

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I know bringing the EV credits back is part of the new admins plans. However, knowing how Elon is a big GOP supporter (which makes NO sense considering their stance on climate change and love of big oil) I can see their being some blowback.
Fairly certain you don't have to subscribe to all of a specific political parties agenda to affiliate with once side or the other. I think a lot of undue hate stems from this belief.
 

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Fairly certain you don't have to subscribe to all of a specific political parties agenda to affiliate with once side or the other. I think a lot of undue hate stems from this belief.
The former is true, the conclusion is not.

And supporting politicians who are directly opposed to actually reaching the goals or choosing paths that could reach those goals seems very unuseful.

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That would be fraud.

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No it wouldn't. Manufacturers can charge whatever people are willing to pay. Any income tax credit doesn't appear in the formula.
 

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The former is true, the conclusion is not.

And supporting politicians who are directly opposed to actually reaching the goals or choosing paths that could reach those goals seems very unuseful.

-Crissa
Elon Musk appears to be a strong supporter of capitalism and the free market. He is not a supporter of free stuff for everyone and eliminating personal responsibility and accountability. He supports what is best for business and individuals while advocating for clean energy. With people voting themselves handouts and a declining work force, something has to give. Giving people free stuff is detrimental to both the recipient and the tax payer footing the bill. There are plenty of GOP supporters that also support green energy and EV adoption.
 

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He is not a supporter of free stuff for everyone and eliminating personal responsibility and accountability.
So he shouldn't support Republicans, clearly. They get both the most 'free stuff' and avoid accountability.

No, I won't let fibs like that stand.

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Elon Musk appears to be a strong supporter of capitalism and the free market. He is not a supporter of free stuff for everyone and eliminating personal responsibility and accountability. He supports what is best for business and individuals while advocating for clean energy. With people voting themselves handouts and a declining work force, something has to give. Giving people free stuff is detrimental to both the recipient and the tax payer footing the bill. There are plenty of GOP supporters that also support green energy and EV adoption.
You must have missed his support for Andrew Yang whose whole platform was UBI and Medicare for all.
There is a pretty good chance we end up with a universal basic income, or something like that, due to automation," Musk told CNBC in 2016. "Yeah, I am not sure what else one would do. I think that is what would happen."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...emocrat-presidential-hopeful-andrew-yang.html
 
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So he shouldn't support Republicans, clearly. They get both the most 'free stuff' and avoid accountability.

No, I won't let fibs like that stand.

-Crissa
Not much left after the 2 big dogs, I consider myself moderate and don't like extremes right or left. I did like Tulsi Gabbard would have voted for her had she made it that far.

1 thing we need younger politicians!
 

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Alas, Tulsi apparently went a bit rabid.

The problem with representative Democracy is how you choose the representative. You can't have half a person in a job; it's always a whole. Which is why you end up with two parties: To choose policy goals, you always have to choose the one closest, most likely to get into office. And it also means caucusing against those who would reverse the policies you want.

So it's a natural rule of maths because of that binary. Which means we're forced to vote for the top-two lest we automatically lose out. (Which is why California has top-two General elections, so that we are making that decision point.) There are other things we can do to help this, too, like ranked choice voting.

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Musk supports green energy/sustainable transportation, but also free market/free speech. It makes no sense to me that these things have started to fall on different ends of the "political spectrum". I guess that's why Elon through his support behind both Yang and... Kanye West?!? Yang-West Superticket in 2024!!
 

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Freedom of speech ≠ Freedom from consequences.

Otherwise, damage from 'speech' (such as yelling fire in a crowded theater, or promoting fake goods) would never be punishable. Which would just be a race to the bottom of unbelievable claims.

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Freedom of speech ≠ Freedom from consequences.

Otherwise, damage from 'speech' (such as yelling fire in a crowded theater, or promoting fake goods) would never be punishable. Which would just be a race to the bottom of unbelievable claims.

-Crissa
Everyone knows that, that's basic. What is concerning to many, is the removal of the ability to speak. It is one thing to say using freedom of speech to commit crimes should be punished. It's also one thing to say using freedom of speech to say mean or awful things makes me dislike you, or not want to do business with you. It's another to say I don't like what you say, so you will no longer be able to say it. This is new territory, and it's exceedingly dangerous.

Mark Zuckerberg is on record of saying that he envisioned FB as evolving into more of a utility, like the phone company. Increasingly, we use it as a communications platform, perhaps even our primary communications platform. If it is to be such a platform, like our phone line or our mail service or our internet access, it needs to be unbiased. If I use my phone to hire a hitman to kill someone, I should be charged. If I use it to discuss things that are not illegal - no matter how unpleasant - I'm still allowed to use my phone. My speech is not regulated.

The big example of this topic is, of course, the recent banning of Trump from Twitter, FB, Insta, Youtube, App and Google stores, etc. By all accounts he hasn't done anything illegal - though that's up for debate - but he's been silenced. These are private companies, they're allowed to do that. But should they be able to? Perhaps it's time for communications laws to be updated with the time, and FB, etc, should not be allowed to regulate such content much like ATT can't listen in on your calls and turn off your phone if it doesn't like what you say. As Elon recently tweeted, "A lot of people are going to be super unhappy with West Coast high tech being the de facto arbiter of free speech."

What's weird to me is that the idea of free speech has become a "right" value in recent years. I've always thought of freedom from the norm as being a "left" trait, whether it was freedom to be gay, freedom to use profane language, freedom to dance... whatever it may be, it was traditionally "right" people that wanted conformity. Now, in the last 10 years I've observed a startling shift where "left" people are increasingly looking to shut up dissenting opinions, "cancel" them, etc. As a moderate, it increasingly weighs in my opinions. I think you're seeing it in a lot of similar thinkers, Elon being one of them. They may not agree with "right" ideals, but agree with the right to have them.
 

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