Honoring Original Estimated Pricing

[Deleted member 3316]

@***** you on Facebook?

? No haven’t been on Facebook for years.

You guys keep making out that I want Tesla to price Cybertruck really high… I don’t.

I’m just saying that going by their previous statements (including the master plan) the market strategy is market clearing pricing.

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[Deleted member 3316]

If Elon had said, 'hey, we met out first year's worth of reservations in twenty-four hours, we're going to auction off the first thousand or so...' we'd have had years to digest crazy prices and blame them on bidders,

But we stood in line for three years. We're in as much a queue as we can, and line-jumpers - when there's a million reservations - are going to be more glaring.

-Crissa

Again with the Strawman Crissa…

If you want a genuine interaction you need to stop with this disingenuous shitposting.

Look at what I’m proposing honestly and I think you’ll find it addresses the concerns you’re pretending to project.

What are you going to do about the glaring queue jumpers? Give them a stern stare of disapproval?

 

[Crissa]

Again with the Strawman Crissa…

What's the straw man?

-Crissa

 

[Deleted member 3316]

What's the straw man?

-Crissa

The purposeful misrepresentation of the hypothetical market strategy we’ve been discussing attempting to discuss over the last few weeks.

I appears purposeful because every time I explain away what would appear to be a genuine concern you pivot through a cycle of misrepresentations ignoring my efforts to clarify your understanding and confirm base reality.

 

[Crissa]

The purposeful misrepresentation of the hypothetical market strategy we’ve been discussing attempting to discuss over the last few weeks.

So, detail it. More simply. Clearly I don't understand your prior post.

-Crissa

 

[Deleted member 3316]

So, detail it. More simply. Clearly I don't understand your prior post.

-Crissa

I have… quite a few times now.

Two tiered market structure.
Reservation holders can buy at MSRP with a covenant preventing onselling for a predetermined time.
Reservation holders can also purchase at auction with no covenant restrictions.
As production ramps and interest heightens regular weekly/monthly auctions could be open to all, (for a small percentage of the production) matched to the rate of cancellations from an inability to scalp the reservations. The end of quarter deliveries would be simpler as there would be a few people ready to collect the same vehicle.

MSRP is intended to mean close to reveal prices and remain static until production is ramped. (So 2023 price is set for projected 2026/7 price.)

This mechanism would honour the genuine reservations of the early adopters, whilst also providing a profitable mechanism for late comers to jump on the bandwagon. The issue is not alienating those people that have a genuine use for Cybertruck but were also planning to scalp some reservations

“A clearly articulated and restrictive clause in the contract of sale that disincentivises on selling for a stipulated time frame (12-18months), possibly a lease to buy contract,” they said.“A small proportion of monthly production allocated to delivery centres that are only available at auction.”

As I’ve said to JBee

I think the difficult thing to parse is the two different prices for the exact same product.

I think another difficulty is recognising the market restriction the reservation list creates and the inevitable ways people will find to circumvent it.

Tesla currently uses a market clearing strategy (Rob Maurer just mentioned it today)

If the early reservation holders who want to own and use a Cybertruck and not pay market clearance prices, we should all be encouraging Tesla to use a different market strategy. One that allows for non reservation holders to pay whatever price they like, so there is very little incentive benefit for people with multiple reservations to flip them for profit every few months. (Waiting a little to avoid being blacklisted or selling their Tesla account.)

From my investigations it appears 15%-20% of reservations are planning to be scalped/flipped (Tesla will have the data to estimate this). If Tesla implement a mechanism to minimise, and cancellations come in, the line will get shorter.

Even if Tesla auction off 5-10% of production (or half the cancellation rate) to late reservation holders then as production ramps, sell to non-reservation holders, the waitlist will shrink faster than deliveries. There’s a chance you could get your truck earlier. But queue jumpers won’t be any further in front of you than they already are.

I cannot believe this would create any ill will from genuine buyers, only the parasitic profiteers sowing the seeds of malcontent will kick up a fuss

I can’t articulate this problem any simpler because shitposters will deliberately misrepresent some portion of it…
Who am I kidding just wait for it…

Let the logical fallacy begin…

or

crickets… cos there’s nothing to credibly argue against…

 

[Deleted member 3316]

Can you imagine how much the Cybertruck with the VIN ending in _42069 will auction for?

 

[cvalue13]

The only downside of @Crissa blocking and hiding her posts from me, is that I can’t see her posts irritating @*****

 

[Coolbreeze704]

The only downside of @Crissa blocking and hiding her posts from me, is that I can’t see her posts irritating @*****

You and Crissa need to make up and be Cyber pals again.

 

[Deleted member 3316]

You and Crissa need to make up and be Cyber pals again.

Maybe after my anger management therapy.
You’ll notice, now the objection handling has been addressed, there’s very little acknowledgment of the validity of what is being proposed…

 

[cvalue13]

You and Crissa need to make up and be Cyber pals again.

forgot to mention @***** has me blocked, so I guess he can’t see that you’re responding to me, not him

 

[Crissa]

I have… quite a few times now.

No, you haven't.

I asked if you could simplify it, you didn't. You added more caveats.

Two tiers? So you're delaying those on the reservation queue. But you said you aren't. Your idea to sell fewer trucks than scalpers would sell (why wouldn't they still sell trucks?)...

Two prices? So those on the reservation list won't pay a higher price... Unless they want it now and get soaked?

What is your plan, then? Because you used the same exact quote. and I still don't understand it, because you keep saying that I'm using a straw man?

It's not a straw man if you don't bother to explain how it's not. It's just how I read what you wrote.

-Crissa

 

[Diehard]

Maybe after my anger management therapy.

Just binge watched BEEF on Netflix. As good as any therapy.

 

[Deleted member 3316]

I asked if you could simplify it, you didn't. You added more caveats.

It cannot be any clearer Crissa, the caveats are a means of objection handling and clarification. Reiterating what has previously been addressed appears to me you are just being obtuse rather than expressing a misunderstanding.

If you are genuine in the comprehension deficit I’ll try address them.

Two tiers? So you're delaying those on the reservation queue. But you said you aren't. Your idea to sell fewer trucks than scalpers would sell (why wouldn't they still sell trucks?)...

It’s highly unlikely anyone would actually be being delayed. But the PR issue to manage is the perception of delay.
How would the scapler get access to a vehicle at less than market clearing price?

Two prices? So those on the reservation list won't pay a higher price... Unless they want it now and get soaked?

Yes a reservation holder won’t pay more unless they also want to jump the queue. The reward for waiting your turn is the fixed price. The use of the word “soaked” implies Tesla is setting the price, they would not be, it is the true market value on the day of purchase.

The above is what I meant by this

you pivot through a cycle of misrepresentations ignoring my efforts to clarify your understanding and confirm base reality.

The way your objections are framed appear to me as a purposeful misrepresentation to dissuade others from contemplating it.

If you are genuinely not understanding I apologise for the less than cordial interaction.
Asking a question to confirm comprehension rather than making a statement of possible misunderstanding will illicit less assertive responses from much of the readership.

Have a look here if you want to read a detailed objection handling discussion I had with @JBee. Feel free to answer the open question.

What disadvantage to you personally, as a reservation holder, would you experience?

 

[Crissa]

Look, when your argument is 'this won't help anyone and it'll screw with PR and it'll look like a money-grab'...

I don't think you have an argument here. You have your assertions. Not even a decent plan that you can articulate.

-Crissa

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