CyberMoose
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So just some comments on this video.
- First of all the requirement to get into the beta. This person is basically talking like he cheated to get in by saying "he drove like a grandma for 103 miles and then didn't drive for a week". So basically he cheated by driving extremely carefully for the required amount of miles...seems like that's how it's intended. They also pointed out that if a driver gets enough strikes, they are removed from the beta...so it seems like things are working as intended for people getting in and staying in or getting removed.
- The camera that monitors the driver to make sure they are paying attention. I just want to say that this is a new system that, just like FSD, will take years before becoming perfect and I respect that Tesla has made this system a little weak to a point that it misses drivers being unattentive instead of the opposite where it might have been too strong and disengaged FSD and given drivers strikes that could have gotten them removed from the program and ultimately hurt the beta program all together. People know the rules and if they end up breaking the rules, that's their fault, not Teslas fault because the car didn't stop them.
- The first pedestrian test in the video where they mentioned that they had the right of way and then complained because "she wasn't crossing, she was waiting to cross". She was taking baby steps towards crossing and was basically inches from the road. What she was doing was unsafely trying to time it so that she could step directly behind the Tesla as it passed which would have been extremely close and I would want my car to stop in that situation. What if it was a small child rather than a grown woman, would they want the car to cut it that close?
- "complex intersections" is exactly what they referred an 8 way intersection to as they complained they had to take over. I've driven in tons of big citys, small towns, and across a few continents, but I have yet to see an 8 way intersection, barely seen many 6 way intersections, 5 way intersections are rare, and they are complaining that a beta FSD system can't handle the 8 way intersection.
- Restarting the system and driving with the screen black. This is common with anything that has a screen, I could use my computer with the screen off too. Easy way around this for Tesla owners...just don't drive with the screen black seconds after you restart?
- Not knowing how to use a roundabout. It might not have gone around, but it did safely turn on to a street. Perfect? no. Fine for beta and still safe? absolutely.
- Driving in the snow when the road isn't fully plowed. Drivers using the beta where road conditions aren't ideal will obviously have to use more caution. Even normal people make a lot of mistakes and the majority of miles driven on FSD are going to be on clear roads or at least plowed roads which means it will take longer before Tesla has enough data in the future to perfectly handle these conditions and know where is the safest part of the road to drive on.
Big positive thing mentioned that they didn't focus much on was how well it worked in suburbs and how that a lot of problems in the past were taken care of. I'll agree that calling it FSD might not be the best when it's still far from being Level 5, but it's clear that Tesla's FSD system has come such a long way from when it was only able to do highways with basic automation. The fact that it can drive in the suburbs extremely well is amazing. I'd be happy if I could get in my car in the morning, switch on the FSD, and have it drive me most of the way to work with little intervention and then I take over for the more complicated parts. Tesla is even beyond that, so by the time I get my Cybertruck, I have extremely high expectations for what the FSD will be able to do.
- First of all the requirement to get into the beta. This person is basically talking like he cheated to get in by saying "he drove like a grandma for 103 miles and then didn't drive for a week". So basically he cheated by driving extremely carefully for the required amount of miles...seems like that's how it's intended. They also pointed out that if a driver gets enough strikes, they are removed from the beta...so it seems like things are working as intended for people getting in and staying in or getting removed.
- The camera that monitors the driver to make sure they are paying attention. I just want to say that this is a new system that, just like FSD, will take years before becoming perfect and I respect that Tesla has made this system a little weak to a point that it misses drivers being unattentive instead of the opposite where it might have been too strong and disengaged FSD and given drivers strikes that could have gotten them removed from the program and ultimately hurt the beta program all together. People know the rules and if they end up breaking the rules, that's their fault, not Teslas fault because the car didn't stop them.
- The first pedestrian test in the video where they mentioned that they had the right of way and then complained because "she wasn't crossing, she was waiting to cross". She was taking baby steps towards crossing and was basically inches from the road. What she was doing was unsafely trying to time it so that she could step directly behind the Tesla as it passed which would have been extremely close and I would want my car to stop in that situation. What if it was a small child rather than a grown woman, would they want the car to cut it that close?
- "complex intersections" is exactly what they referred an 8 way intersection to as they complained they had to take over. I've driven in tons of big citys, small towns, and across a few continents, but I have yet to see an 8 way intersection, barely seen many 6 way intersections, 5 way intersections are rare, and they are complaining that a beta FSD system can't handle the 8 way intersection.
- Restarting the system and driving with the screen black. This is common with anything that has a screen, I could use my computer with the screen off too. Easy way around this for Tesla owners...just don't drive with the screen black seconds after you restart?
- Not knowing how to use a roundabout. It might not have gone around, but it did safely turn on to a street. Perfect? no. Fine for beta and still safe? absolutely.
- Driving in the snow when the road isn't fully plowed. Drivers using the beta where road conditions aren't ideal will obviously have to use more caution. Even normal people make a lot of mistakes and the majority of miles driven on FSD are going to be on clear roads or at least plowed roads which means it will take longer before Tesla has enough data in the future to perfectly handle these conditions and know where is the safest part of the road to drive on.
Big positive thing mentioned that they didn't focus much on was how well it worked in suburbs and how that a lot of problems in the past were taken care of. I'll agree that calling it FSD might not be the best when it's still far from being Level 5, but it's clear that Tesla's FSD system has come such a long way from when it was only able to do highways with basic automation. The fact that it can drive in the suburbs extremely well is amazing. I'd be happy if I could get in my car in the morning, switch on the FSD, and have it drive me most of the way to work with little intervention and then I take over for the more complicated parts. Tesla is even beyond that, so by the time I get my Cybertruck, I have extremely high expectations for what the FSD will be able to do.
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