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Depending on where, Hertz and Avis have both 3s and Ys. Some locations have both base and long range in both models. I just rented a M3 to drive from LAX and dropped off the next day at John Wayne Airport.
I just had body work done on my Model Y and Hertz had only [a few at that] Model 3s. They rented me a Kia EV6 and I didn't like it. But can one modify the settings on a Hertz Tesla rental?
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I just had body work done on my Model Y and Hertz had only [a few at that] Model 3s. They rented me a Kia EV6 and I didn't like it. But can one modify the settings on a Hertz Tesla rental?
In March I was in Savannah GA and rented an M3. I was there last month and they had none available. I rented a M3LR late spring from SNA, but they were out and gave me a MYLR. I think there is an EV setting in the app, I don't remember. But location and availability affect what you can get quite often. I always try to rent a Tesla every time I rent a car (often) for the experience, research, and just plain fun. (fart mode ON) I can't always get one, or even the one I want. I saw a couple large rental locations that had a MS in the luxury category. But the price...
 

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I would never voluntarily get in one of those. I avoid the Miami Metromover because it is automated.

Sorry for directing my ire your way, this is a "me" problem. This topic pushes my buttons not because "AI is evil" (it's not) but because coders are lazy (which is the root cause of 99% of the major screw-ups that have occurred in recent history). Hell, it almost led us to WW-III back in 1995 (US spy satellites mistakenly detected 5 ICBM launches in Russia and we automatically went to DefCon 4. Human intervention prevented a nuclear holocaust. It was later discovered that the analysis software couldn't tell the difference between a missile launch and sunlight being reflected off clouds. Why? Lazy coding.
“Lazy coders”? Do you work in the software industry developing human-safety rated systems or national defense systems?
 

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“Lazy coders”? Do you work in the software industry developing human-safety rated systems or national defense systems?
I worked in government IT for 38 years, interacting with other government offices and private industry for decades. The safety related teams are very small and very specialized. National defense teams are smaller and compartmentalized for national security reasons. No one coder knows the whole picture. The three letter agencies prefer it that way.
 


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My guess would be that cluster will make it to future iterations of the CT...or for the "plaid" versions in the future.
 

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Wait a minute. You were at Yosemite driving a Model Y and you live in Australia. Were you in a rental, and if so who rents Model Ys? I am guessing, now, that you were not able to (or didn’t think to) turn off auto updates. We took our Model Y to Yosemite last year as our first road trip with it and I was nervous the whole time, but I did not think to turn off auto updates. Had I gotten a reminder I would have.
Yeah we hired one off Turo, was great, even a decent day rate and it was fairly new too. They normally have heaps, especially in CA. Overall I petered using Turo, let alone the pricing for Teslas seemed much better, even in Texas.

Not being our car I didn't want to do the update for the week we had it. So I just postponed it for a day or two when it asked, I didn't think it would do it itself without reminding or asking me first.

Why were you worried about going up Yosemite? Because of the range?

We used the Tesla navigational ABRP for a return trip to the next supercharger and that works out close but with enough range. We'd already had some experience in hypermiling it, plus figured we'd just charge at a camp ground if we really needed to, so weren't too worried overall. The altitude difference also helps a lot as uts also stored energy as such, especially on the slow windy roads.

In comparison to the RV we hired beforehand from Chicago to LA via Indianapolis and Denver etc, the MYP was by far the most comfortable, easy, cheapest and enjoyable travelling we did in the US. Except the CA roads, and of course traffic...but car was 100%.

Can't wait to get our CT in Texas and do another lap. Was heaps of fun.
 

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Yeah we hired one off Turo, was great, even a decent day rate and it was fairly new too. They normally have heaps, especially in CA. Overall I petered using Turo, let alone the pricing for Teslas seemed much better, even in Texas.

Not being our car I didn't want to do the update for the week we had it. So I just postponed it for a day or two when it asked, I didn't think it would do it itself without reminding or asking me first.

Why were you worried about going up Yosemite? Because of the range?

We used the Tesla navigational ABRP for a return trip to the next supercharger and that works out close but with enough range. We'd already had some experience in hypermiling it, plus figured we'd just charge at a camp ground if we really needed to, so weren't too worried overall. The altitude difference also helps a lot as uts also stored energy as such, especially on the slow windy roads.

In comparison to the RV we hired beforehand from Chicago to LA via Indianapolis and Denver etc, the MYP was by far the most comfortable, easy, cheapest and enjoyable travelling we did in the US. Except the CA roads, and of course traffic...but car was 100%.

Can't wait to get our CT in Texas and do another lap. Was heaps of fun.
I was concerned about range, damage to the tires, and just breaking down, but mostly range. We were staying near Oakhurst and there was a supercharger there so after the first day we knew that we were only using 100 miles of range from Oakhurst->Yosemite->Oakhurst and the range issue went away. It snowed and rained for a day of the trip and I decided not to drive down to Yosemite that day because I just didn't know how the MY would drive on a slippery, possibly icy road, and I didn't want to find out just then. In the end, like you, I found that the MY handled everything very well. That trip was the springboard for a longer trip to Denver in the winter and that introduced new range-anxiety issues but that is another story.
 

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I would never voluntarily get in one of those. I avoid the Miami Metromover because it is automated.

Sorry for directing my ire your way, this is a "me" problem. This topic pushes my buttons not because "AI is evil" (it's not) but because coders are lazy (which is the root cause of 99% of the major screw-ups that have occurred in recent history). Hell, it almost led us to WW-III back in 1995 (US spy satellites mistakenly detected 5 ICBM launches in Russia and we automatically went to DefCon 4. Human intervention prevented a nuclear holocaust. It was later discovered that the analysis software couldn't tell the difference between a missile launch and sunlight being reflected off clouds. Why? Lazy coding.
My degree is in this field. Much of my time with the government was working on "Safety of Life" system designs. Your assumption is not correct, coders are not lazy. The issue is not with lazy or not, but with whether or not you can think of every single possibility, and plan for it. This is why FSD was so time consuming and difficult when they were trying to write code for every possible scenario. This is why AI is a far better solution, because it learns "situations" not "rules". I had a "decision maker" in a system design meeting with me one day. He had commented that I was wrong for trusting the motivation of the team. I tried, to no avail, to explain how incredible the team was, and that their goal was, in fact, to make the end user happy. He didn't believe me. Later that day, the software team was giving their presentation. I leaned over and said "watch this". I then gave them a real goofy idea that they wouldn't understand why we would want this feature, but I explained we really needed it. And I mean, to the user, it was about as goofy and stupid an idea as ever existed. For the next 5 minutes we watched the team wrestle with how to implement this and make it the best idea since sliced bread. When I saw the decision maker start to laugh at how hard they were working on this harebrained feature, I fess'd up and explained it was a joke. They all laughed, and then said; "we kinda like it and want to do it!" I said no, please don't, please no no no no no. The decision maker later said "I see why you trust them."

When I see fart mode, and romance mode, and the light show, and the mars map, and dog mode, I'm reminded of that meeting and how that feature could have been an easter egg if I had let it through. I imagined how cool it would be to work for a company that, when you come up with something that goofy and fun, would allow you to present it, and then send it out to the users to have fun with. I want to work for a company like that! But since I can't, I want to spend my money on a product from a company like that. And so, I want to buy a Tesla or three. I want to support a company like that. And I won't buy from a company that has such as large stick up their butt to prevent something like that from seeing the light of day on their product. I only wish I had taken this stance earlier in my life.

Coders aren't lazy. They're constrained, directed, and sometimes don't have the whole picture. But as a whole, they ain't lazy.
 


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...because coders are lazy (which is the root cause of 99% of the major screw-ups that have occurred in recent history)

The examples are endless.

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Perhaps I was being a curmudgeon saying "coders are lazy" (38 years of government IT drains all of the nice out of you). I should have stated that most of the major technical issues are caused by lazy coding, not lazy coders. It only takes one bad apple especially with systems that have broad scope and reach (like nuclear attack threat modeling and analysis). QA should be a priority in shops like these but it is often the first thing lopped off in budget cuts.

And yes, management does have a huge role in this as most of the managers making decisions have degrees in managing, not in the field of technology being managed. It's like a teaching degree - it teaches you to teach, but you don't have any skills/knowledge of the materials being taught. Don't get me wrong, teachers are vitally important for the future of society, but it would be better for all of us if they had degrees in the material being taught and were paid accordingly.
 
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Perhaps I was being a curmudgeon saying "coders are lazy" (38 years of government IT drains all of the nice out of you). I should have stated that most of the major technical issues are caused by lazy coding, not lazy coders. It only takes one bad apple especially with systems that have broad scope and reach (like nuclear attack threat modeling and analysis). QA should be a priority in shops like these but it is often the first thing lopped off in budget cuts.

And yes, management does have a huge role in this as most of the managers making decisions have degrees in managing, not in the field of technology being managed. It's like a teaching degree - it teaches you to teach, but you don't have any skills/knowledge of the materials being taught. Don't get me wrong, teachers are vitally important for the future of society, but it would be better for all of us if they had degrees in the material being taught and were paid accordingly.
Ok, I'll bite. There is probably no difference in a software developers mind between "lazy coders" and "lazy coding". It is an insult, and incorrect, either way. There are certainly variations across developers, huge variations, but lazy is not one of them. By and large they are very passionate about what they do and take it very seriously. Here is the bite. The problem with software always traces back to management. Always. Someone lying to some customer about what software can do. Someone forcing a milestone that is impossible but no one listened to engineering. Someone forcing a deadline that engineering said couldn't be met. Someone releasing software that engineering said wasn't ready. The list goes on. If you want an argument, just say something about developers, or about managers, and you will get it. These are completely different camps with completely different values and focus, and they rarely see eye to eye. I was a technical specialist, architect, chief architect, CTO, research scientist, etc. for more years than I care to admit to. I do not trust people in sales or management. I had to deal with them, but it was always difficult. You can point your finger at engineering all you want but you will never be right.
 

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I worked in government IT for 38 years, interacting with other government offices and private industry for decades.
"IT" is a term used for various kinds of technical work, but usually it is procuring and installing commercially available data processing systems or supporting installed systems, rather than designing or writing functional software for new systems or products.

Did you work as a member of software development teams as a coder, a team leader or a software test engineer?
National defense teams are smaller and compartmentalized for national security reasons. No one coder knows the whole picture. The three letter agencies prefer it that way.
I managed large projects of this type for 25 years. Your statement isn't true for the teams on those projects or typical for large projects in that industry. Our large project teams typically had over 100 and as many as 300 engineers, about one third to half software developers (coders), all with free access at work to all design requirements, development code and supporting data - there was no compartmenting within the project, project teams or across related projects. All coders' work was reviewed in detail - every line of code - by their team peers and team leader, usually about 5 to 10 people in total. Test engineers and systems engineers performed detailed code reviews for any wrong/unusual test outcomes. There were no "lazy" coders - at least not for very long.

Most problems we encountered were, at the root, caused by too-short schedules with immovable delivery milestones, very challenging system-level performance requirements set by our customers and late changes in those requirements that were driven by factors outside of our customer's control. If I found myself riding in a robo-taxi, I would worry - a lot - about those real things, but not "lazy" coders.

As an aside, I ran into a few unhelpful IT people supporting our projects, but I think it was because they were overworked rather than lazy.
 

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"IT" is a term used for various kinds of technical work, but usually it is procuring and installing commercially available data processing systems or supporting installed systems, rather than designing or writing functional software for new systems or products.

Did you work as a member of software development teams as a coder, a team leader or a software test engineer?

I managed large projects of this type for 25 years. Your statement isn't true for the teams on those projects or typical for large projects in that industry. Our large project teams typically had over 100 and as many as 300 engineers, about one third to half software developers (coders), all with free access at work to all design requirements, development code and supporting data - there was no compartmenting within the project, project teams or across related projects. All coders' work was reviewed in detail - every line of code - by their team peers and team leader, usually about 5 to 10 people in total. Test engineers and systems engineers performed detailed code reviews for any wrong/unusual test outcomes. There were no "lazy" coders - at least not for very long.

Most problems we encountered were, at the root, caused by too-short schedules with immovable delivery milestones, very challenging system-level performance requirements set by our customers and late changes in those requirements that were driven by factors outside of our customer's control. If I found myself riding in a robo-taxi, I would worry - a lot - about those real things, but not "lazy" coders.

As an aside, I ran into a few unhelpful IT people supporting our projects, but I think it was because they were overworked rather than lazy.
With regards to your first question: yes to all of the above.
I also agree with your conclusion. Those are major factors affecting the course a software project takes.
However, I have never seen any any organization with teams as large as you are talking about. My last team, charged with deploying an enterprise level service for a geographic area twice the size of Rhode Island, was originally three people, then got cut to two when one retired, and is now 1.5 because I retired and they have a part timer helping. And this service is key to the functioning of every single department. When I left, we were the largest such implementation in the south eastern US.
I hope this explains why my views are colored the way they are.
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