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Tesla was found 1% liable for an accident committed in one of their cars by a bad driver, which seems ridiculous to me.No, the manufacturer is not liable for third party repair quality. That's ridiculous.
Tesla techs unlocked a car that the owner had locked. That was the car used in the accident.Tesla was found 1% liable for an accident committed in one of their cars by a bad driver, which seems ridiculous to me.
John Deer are vehemently against right to repair….In particular my concern is third party risk from dodgy workmanship. John Deere primarily operates off road and at low speeds and not in the city etc. They should be more open to RtR IMHO. You wanting to build your own off-road EV makes it fairly exempt from my third party risk analysis.
But to be honest the vehicles you mention are far from "state of the art" they are no where in the same league as a modern EV like the CT. From an engineering perspective there is no problem to make multi generational machines that can outlast the original owner with minimal maintenance.
I know, as are many other manufactures who rely on part and service supplies as a part of the business margins. Tesla is one of the only manufacturers that makes a substantial profit on vehicle sales alone and as such can ignore part sales for their margins, and make things last much longer. It is important to understand the relationship here and how Tesla is different, and how this effects RtR.John Deer are vehemently against right to repair….
You just made my case for RtR for me.In the case of the CT for example, I'm am seriously expecting the following performance for the price for each sub-assembly of the vehicle:
- 40-70years for Exoskeleton, Cabin structure, Front and rear casting (including bed), and all Stainless Steel components, including exterior SS sheeting, glass except windscreen (RtR is mute)
- Structural Battery Pack good for 1,000,000 mile (1.6million km) with less than 10% degradation (being 2000 full cycles of 500mile range in a TM CT). Resulting in 67 years of 15,000miles per year, which is the USA average or something like 33 years at 30,000miles (48,000 kms) per year. Given the "structural nature" of the pack, as per Monroe teardown, there is little to no way to make it repairable anyway. The advantages of the structural pack, especially in cost, exceed any RtR demand and is therefore mute.
- Motors and drivetrain minimum 200,000miles (15 year?) before bearings and wear part overhaul. Inverter around 10-15 years depending on components/capacitors etc used. Cabling and connectors (except charge port) +50years. (Longevity, complexity and electrical risk make RtR mute for this too)
- Doors, seats and interior, between 10-20years depending on wear and use. This most definitely could be user upgradable/repairable, so long safety isn't impaired (airbags/seatbelts etc) and would need to be replaced 2-3 times for the life of the vehicle as per above timelines.
- Infotainment, FSD, electronics etc, Upgradable in 5-10 year cycle, Partially RtR
- All usual wear and tear items, like tyres, brakes etc either 1-2years depending on use and mileage. Can do RtR, but only brakes if there is some sort of vehicle self-test.
Capacitors, connectors and sealed components at 800-900v exposed to shakedown 50+ yrs exceeds my wildest experience. 1956 Hammond B3 just sounded better, raspier older its caps. But hotrodding with new caps took latest capacitor technology to new sonic heights for the olde girl. New technology at pace its innovating I expect to replace at very minimum caps maybe as soon as first sparkplugs change.<snip eloquent claims>
3. Motors and drivetrain minimum 200,000miles (15 year?) before bearings and wear part overhaul. Inverter around 10-15 years depending on components/capacitors etc used. Cabling and connectors (except charge port) +50years. (Longevity, complexity and electrical risk make RtR mute for this too)<SNIP> humblebrag allowed!
For, his time frame is similar to how long cars last in my arid environment. Still need regular repairs after warranty expires even on a very reliable vehicle.For RtR, not against?
Of course when you have enough money to buy multiple luxury trucks you tend to not have experience working on them unless they do so as a hobby and tend to be clueless as to the needs of most of the population.Hence my "multi-generational" claim, and why I have ordered one for each of my grown kids as an inheritance.