Rumored Cybertruck Configurations - Dual, Quad, and PLAID

[CyberGus]

Honestly I think there may come a time when 0-60 times of sub 4 seconds will be outlawed...

It already is. It is illegal to drive recklessly, including a peel-out ("demonstration of acceleration").

I doubt FSD will have a "street-racing" mode

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[CyberGus]

I've maxed out my load and range many times in my Mazda ^-^

-Crissa

When you hit "max cargo capacity" in your CT, I want pics

 

[John K]

When you hit "max cargo capacity" in your CT, I want pics

I should not have had that second breakfast burrito…

 

[repoman]

...And so you want to lug another ton of battery around for that occasional trip?

-Crissa

The Cybertruck pack is already going to be over a ton, prob about a ton with the new 4680. If thats the case, ever 100 miles will be maybe 500 pounds, not a ton. I would much rather have the extra 500 pounds.

 

[Ogre]

I've maxed out my load and range many times in my Mazda ^-^

-Crissa

Well if you parked the Mazda in the back of the Cybertruck the load would likely be maxed out.

If it’s an MX3 you could load it first then park it in the back of the Cybertruck.

 

[Ogre]

The Cybertruck pack is already going to be over a ton, prob about a ton with the new 4680. If thats the case, ever 100 miles will be maybe 500 pounds, not a ton. I would much rather have the extra 500 pounds.

Everyone’s calculations are a little different.

For me well before I hit 3500 pounds I decide it’s easier to get it delivered. Just not having to unload that much weight is usually worth it.

 

[anionic1]

...And so you want to lug another ton of battery around for that occasional trip?

-Crissa

I agree with Crissa. The EV world is changing rapidly and we can’t think of the world 2 years from now looking like what it is now. Charging capabilities are getting much more robust. Charging for 30 min would likely get all the additional miles around town you could need. That extra 1000 plus pounds of battery will drive your kW/mile up for sure. It’s funny, it feels like America’s EV charging network is one of the things in this country that almost everyone supports. Probably because there is money to be made.

 

[CostcoSamples]

The Cybertruck pack is already going to be over a ton, prob about a ton with the new 4680. If thats the case, ever 100 miles will be maybe 500 pounds, not a ton. I would much rather have the extra 500 pounds.

I thought the 4680 was around 280 to 300 Watt-Hours per kg? some quick math using 350 Watt hours per mile for a CT; 100 miles should be around 250-275 pounds worth of battery. Even with 5% over provisioning, the 500 mile pack shouldn't be more than about 1,500 pounds.

I would gladly trade 275 pounds of payload for another 100 miles of range to get up to 600 miles.

 

[repoman]

I thought the 4680 was around 280 to 300 Watt-Hours per kg? some quick math using 350 Watt hours per mile for a CT; 100 miles should be around 250-275 pounds worth of battery. Even with 5% over provisioning, the 500 mile pack shouldn't be more than about 1,500 pounds.

I would gladly trade 275 pounds of payload for another 100 miles of range to get up to 600 miles.

You’re probably correct but we most likely won’t know until they start delivering them. I was just being over conservative.

 

[CostcoSamples]

You’re probably correct but we most likely won’t know until they start delivering them. I was just being over conservative.

Fair enough.

I also think Tesla doesn't want to offer huge batteries because they are battery production constrained.

 

[anionic1]

I thought the 4680 was around 280 to 300 Watt-Hours per kg? some quick math using 350 Watt hours per mile for a CT; 100 miles should be around 250-275 pounds worth of battery. Even with 5% over provisioning, the 500 mile pack shouldn't be more than about 1,500 pounds.

I would gladly trade 275 pounds of payload for another 100 miles of range to get up to 600 miles.

My math shows the CT will likely get have a pack around 4 or 5 pounds per mile when I look at other current models and what they actually get in mileage and what the pack weighs and factor in that this vehicle is at least 20% heavier. We don't know exactly what the efficiency or weight will be of the CT but we know it will be greater than any of their other vehicles and will likely be less efficient. Also, with the structural battery pack it will likely need a flat upper and lower diaphragm, which is consistent with all the images I have seen of the structural pack. That being said and knowing how they like to simplify production, my guess is that there will be a 300 mile range and a 600 mile range truck or in other words they will just double the thickness of the pack. So it wont be a question of getting another 100 miles of range for 275 pounds as you said. It will probably be getting another 250 or 300 mile range for another 1000 lbs. It will definitely be less efficient and something to consider. Elon has mentioned many times that hauling around all that extra battery capacity isn't ideal. Obviously many will use the CT for towing on long trips and multiple stops to charge will not be ideal.

 

[CyberGus]

I believe Tesla will want to hit the range targets that they announced at the reveal.

 

[anionic1]

I believe Tesla will want to hit the range targets that they announced at the reveal.

Probably. But they are probably getting rid of the tri motor. It will probably only come in a dual and quad motor. As we have seen Tesla simplifies the offerings once they get into production. In my opinion that makes most sense for the demand and the production. The dual motor could probably use the same casting as the quad but switch from a motor at each wheel to a shared motor for the front wheels and a shared for the back. The dual would also just remove 1 layer of battery in the structural pack. Literally these two changes and you go from quad to dual and barely changed the production line.

 

[rr6013]

My math shows the CT will likely get have a pack around 4 or 5 pounds per mile when I look at other current models and what they actually get in mileage and what the pack weighs and factor in that this vehicle is at least 20% heavier. We don't know exactly what the efficiency or weight will be of the CT but we know it will be greater than any of their other vehicles and will likely be less efficient. Also, with the structural battery pack it will likely need a flat upper and lower diaphragm, which is consistent with all the images I have seen of the structural pack. That being said and knowing how they like to simplify production, my guess is that there will be a 300 mile range and a 600 mile range truck or in other words they will just double the thickness of the pack. So it wont be a question of getting another 100 miles of range for 275 pounds as you said. It will probably be getting another 250 or 300 mile range for another 1000 lbs. It will definitely be less efficient and something to consider. Elon has mentioned many times that hauling around all that extra battery capacity isn't ideal. Obviously many will use the CT for towing on long trips and multiple stops to charge will not be ideal.

Hope your pencil is sharpest!

Cybertruck low CG(center of gravity) and the 4680 cell energy density provides cell pack arrangement to hug CL(centerline) enabling CE(center of effort) quite compact and quick handling. Exoskeleton stripping out frame mass means that the Cybertruck can put that 2500# energy mass to work holding down the frontend balancing its carry capacity.

IDK how much CT needs to resist aerodynamic lift under the vehicle and counterweight balance the vehicle fully loaded to maintain steering.

Surprised Tesla battery pack patent doesn’t convey cornerweight balance within the pack fore and aft. I expected there be weight bias to adjust with a configurable pack at its disposal.

 

[Ehninger1212]

Does anyone think the Dual motor CT will become cheaper as well? or maintain the 50k price tag.. just curious other members thoughts on this.

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