Should Tesla 're-design the wheel' for CyberTruck?

[Deleted member 12457]

Maybe reevaluate these tire tracks?

I know you're having fun but those aren't tires, they're tracks and in some instances are attached to some trucks but only heavy weight, more or less, all-terrain vehicles.

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[CyberGus]

Now I understand... You mean a steel tyre!!!

We already have steel radials, they're just filled with air and coated in rubber

 

[CyberGus]

Maybe reevaluate these tire tracks?

there u go


https://www.mattracks.co/tracks/trucks/

 

[Bill906]

Active damping is not the same thing as dynamic suspension.

Thanks for the clarification. Suspension is not my strong point. I learned something today!

 

[hridge2020]

I'm pretty sure "tyre" is pronounced "tire"

Okay I'll roll with it -

 

[rr6013]

Elon says that is on the roadmap.

-Crissa

Ok. gotta ask. Did EM give you his Ph#?
That one hadn’t heard was in the works. That’s interesting …

 

[Crissa]

Ok. gotta ask. Did EM give you his Ph#?
That one hadn’t heard was in the works. That’s interesting …

No, it was another random Q he tossed off at someone on Twitter. He explained it in another interview (one of those vlogger roundtables) that FSD would be key to making it work to recognize surfaces before the vehicle hit them.

-Crissa

 

[John K]

there u go


https://www.mattracks.co/tracks/trucks/

Unless they flap akin to Heman’s battle track, they are a pale imitation.

 

[charliemagpie]

It's aweful and rides like a truck.
It would be nice to have a suspension that banks into the turns etc but CT isn't a sports car and electro mag suspension would be difficult/ power wasteful on a vehicle that can carry a 3500lb load

Emulation mode.

 

[HaulingAss]

I remember a while back someone suggesting the same sort of thing to improve wheels and tyres to EM, and his response was that they are already highly optimised and in particular cost effective components, that can only be incrementally improved.

I was going to reply with a similar statement and then I saw that Elon already said the same thing.

Basically, the modern pneumatic radial has incredible engineering in terms of traction in a wide variety of terrain and applications, economy of rolling resistance, efficiency and, properly used and maintained, excellent reliability. The abuse they put up with is nothing short of astounding. The way they improve comfort and need little attention other than mainting suitable air pressure for the application is commendable.

No one has been able to engineer a better solution and I think it's unlikely over the next decade. Sure, tires will continue to improve and evolve, just as they have over the last 100 plus years, but it's going to be really hard to find something completely different that is as versatile and reliable and offers the same performance.

I'm a tire guy and always buy tires based upon which qualities I need most. I typically want a good general purpose tire that performs more than adequately for all intended uses and excels at the most common uses. I will switch out tires seasonally but I don't want to have to change tires just because I'm going to be more on-road or more off-road than usual. I never buy a tire for looks or image. What strikes me is how many people are nervous about flats. My strategy is to not get flats, and, if I do, I fix it. I avoid carrying a spare and would only do so in some of the most remote regions of the globe. If I can fix it myself on the trail or get it replaced in one or two days on those extremely seldom occasions when I might get a flat that is not self-repairable, it was worth all the years of not carrying a spare with me. The goal is to have fun and explore new places, not get yourself into a bind. This is a learned skill and I know this because I keep meeting people who shoot themselves in the foot and invite problems.

Invariably, someone is going to bring up being 40 miles into the desert wilderness with temperatures over 100 degrees and no cell service. Guess what? I avoid getting into that situation. If it's going to be over 100 degrees, and I'm that far in the wilderness, I have already made a major tactical error. That is not a "fun" trip to me. I avoid creating drama like that and I don't give up much to do it. I plan trips that are going to fun. I don't like 100 plus degree heat in the middle of nowhere so if I find myself there I really fuct up!

In my experience, tires have reached the point of extreme reliability when you have appropriate tires and use them properly and fix the most common failures. Never penny pinch on tires, particularly if you require superior reliability.

 

[Crissa]

Ahh, well, my spouse loves 100 degree days, so... That's where she takes us.

The rest I agree. I tend to optimize for cold stickiness - can it do rain well? Does it have AA traction? Then it'll be compatible with most of my driving.

Only when I do something special - road trip through the passes in the winter, for instance - do I swap tires. Which means my winter tires are aging out. Well, date-wise, they're otherwise pristine because I keep them at 50F in the dark.

-Crissa

 

[go99s]

Basically, the modern pneumatic radial has incredible engineering in terms of traction in a wide variety of terrain and applications, economy of rolling resistance, efficiency and, properly used and maintained, excellent reliability. The abuse they put up with is nothing short of astounding. The way they improve comfort and need little attention other than mainting suitable air pressure for the application is commendable.

No one has been able to engineer a better solution and I think it's unlikely over the next decade. Sure, tires will continue to improve and evolve, just as they have over the last 100 plus years, but it's going to be really hard to find something completely different that is as versatile and reliable and offers the same performance.

I think that I agree with you regarding tyres, or at least the rubber outer section. Where I thought that there could be improvements was the wheel, hub and maybe even out to the (drive) shaft. I'll make my point again regarding the sides of air-less tyre/wheels being only on show for differentiation by the tyre manufacturers, they could and should be covered up.

The same arguments that you are making could have been said about the ICE automobile... until Tesla came along - I like to think that Tesla dares us to dream again!!

 

[go99s]

Thinking about dreaming again, I am looking forward to being able to take road trips through Europe in my CT with my son/ daughter/ better half and having some sort of camping option available to complement staying in some of the hotels/ accommodation that are incredible (but that I could not afford to stay in every night!)
My better half and I spent the better part of two years touring Europe, Asia, NZ and the Americas before we came home to get married and I'm dreaming of doing so again in a CT.

 

[Deleted member 12457]

Thinking about dreaming again, I am looking forward to being able to take road trips through Europe in my CT with my son/ daughter/ better half and having some sort of camping option available to complement staying in some of the hotels/ accommodation that are incredible (but that I could not afford to stay in every night!)
My better half and I spent the better part of two years touring Europe, Asia, NZ and the Americas before we came home to get married and I'm dreaming of doing so again in a CT.

Camper shell or some kind of tent will have to wait until some insider shows us what many people are hoping are attachment points on the top edges of the bed and roof. I haven't seen what's under those phantom rectangles but hopefully they're solid mounting points for at least racks for a rooftop tent and possible something like the rigid tent structure shown when the CT was released. My problem is I like to cook on gas when camping but the CT is going to make me think differently, looking at proper electric ranges. Propane tanks are required to have outside ventilation so I'm not sure where a propane tank would even go.

 

[MEDICALJMP]

Does anyone here have any real world experience using airless tires on a car?

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