Stellantis CEO gives up against Tesla?

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So much FUD, bullshit, whatever you want to call it. Which lies should we believe? They say it costs too much to make an EV, and then, when they're talking to someone else, they say "we don't want EV's because it will force us to reduce our workforce and put people out of work, because EV's are so simple to make with less parts and labor".

Which is it?

The REAL reason they don't want to make EV's is because all the business partners (the Dealerships) know they can't make money, like they have been with ICE. Very little money in parts and service, and EV's made right, will not need to be replaced nearly as quickly. No money for dealerships. That's the real reason these OEM's have been dragging their feet!
 

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Either adapt or get out of the way. Dinosaurs and legacy automobile manufacturers have a lot in common.
Word on the street is that GM is leading the way in EV technology and has it all figured out so at least they are safe from going under or being bought out by a Chinese company wishing to get a foothold into the American market. ;) Don't be too concerned with the massive amount of debt load they are carrying they can always depend on being bailed out since they are too big to fail.
 

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If you don't know how to build something, of course it costs more.

But yeah, it sounds like they're admitting they can't do it.

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agreed....Tesla started from scratch.....learning and spending money as they went....they did not have anything that required a complete teardown, different tech and tooling......its gonna be hard for them to catch-up......they will be taking a long "time-out"
 
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This is a sign of how out of touch this guy is.

He’s complaining about the government pushing people too hard to switch to EVs. The problem is the government is lagging the market right now. Customers are switching to EVs voluntarily because it’s a better experience. As EVs mature and the infrastructure is built out, the EV experience will continue to improve, widening that performance gap and making ICE less and less appealing without any government intervention.

The government could drop all regulations and incentives on this and the transition would still take place, perhaps at a slightly slower pace, but we’d get there.

Stellantis spent the past 15 years or taking on debt so they could acquire and merge their way into being the 6th largest auto company. Maybe they should have spent the past 15 years thinking about the tidal wave that was ever so slowly sweeping their industry.
 

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All those dealerships are not just middlemen. They are franchise partners, paying big bucks to the OEM's to be the dealership in each little town. Plus, instead of paying out of pocket/profits, like Tesla to find a location and build each individual dealership. These dealerships are built on the dime of the franchise owner. This was a major reason why all the OEM's thought Tesla would fail. Tesla's out-of-pocket expenses to build all their infrastructure is MASSIVE. That's why it took Tesla over 10 years to have any profits. And yet now they are making money, while building EV's and new showrooms, service centers, and Superchargers all over the world on THEIR dime. So, is it really that expensive to build EV's? All that infrastructure cost is part of the cost for each vehicle for Tesla. Not so for the OEM's. They waste money on advertising and lots of other Crap.

Here's some explanation of Dealerships: https://www.nada.org/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=21474838843
 

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Lucky for him then that Stellantis isn't a conglomeration of several well known brands. oh wait.....
 

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Stellantis CEO says EV cost burden is 'beyond the limits' for automakers
By Joseph White
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DETROIT, Dec 1 (Reuters) - Stellantis NV (STLA.MI) Chief Executive Carlos Tavares said external pressure on automakers to accelerate the shift to electric vehicles potentially threatens jobs and vehicle quality as producers struggle to manage the higher costs of building EVs.
Governments and investors want car manufacturers to speed up the transition to electric vehicles, but the costs are "beyond the limits" of what the auto industry can sustain, Tavares said in an interview at the Reuters Next conference released Wednesday.

"What has been decided is to impose on the automotive industry electrification that brings 50% additional costs against a conventional vehicle," he said.

"There is no way we can transfer 50% of additional costs to the final consumer because most parts of the middle class will not be able to pay."

Automakers could charge higher prices and sell fewer cars, or accept lower profit margins, Tavares said. Those paths both lead to cutbacks. Union leaders in Europe and North America have warned tens of thousands of jobs could be lost.

Automakers need time for testing and ensuring that new technology will work, Tavares said. Pushing to speed that process up "is just going to be counter productive. It will lead to quality problems. It will lead to all sorts of problems," he said.

Tavares said Stellantis is aiming to avoid cuts by boosting productivity at a pace far faster than industry norm.

"Over the next five years we have to digest 10% productivity a year ... in an industry which is used to delivering 2 to 3% productivity" improvement, he said.

"The future will tell us who is going to be able to digest this, and who will fail," Tavares said. "We are putting the industry on the limits."

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Carlos Tavares, Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of the Managing Board of PSA Group, attends the Tomorrow In Motion event on the eve of press day at the Paris Auto Show, in Paris, France, October 1, 2018. REUTERS/Regis Duvignau//File Photo

Electric vehicle costs are expected to fall, and analysts project that battery electric vehicles and combustion vehicles could reach cost parity during the second half of this decade.

Like other automakers that earn profits from combustion vehicles, Stellantis is under pressure from electric vehicle maker Tesla Inc (TSLA.O) and other pure electric vehicle startups such as Rivian (RIVN.O).

The electric vehicle companies are far smaller in terms of vehicle sales and employment. But investors have given Tesla and Rivian higher market valuations than the owner of the Jeep SUV brand or the highly profitable Ram pickup truck franchise.

That investor pressure is compounded by government policies aimed at cutting greenhouse gas emissions. The European Union, California and other jurisdictions have set goals to end sales of combustion vehicles by 2035. The United Kingdom has set 2030 as the deadline for going all-electric.

Tavares said governments should shift the focus of climate policy toward cleaning up the energy sector and developing electric-vehicle charging infrastructure.

Stellantis, created in 2021 with the merger of French automaker Peugeot SA and Italian-American automaker Fiat Chrysler NV, is on track to deliver 5 billion euros in cost reduction through streamlining its operations, Tavares said.

Tavares has accelerated Stellantis' electric vehicle development, committing 30 billion euros through 2025 to developing new electric vehicle architectures, building battery plants and investing in raw materials and new technology.

On Tuesday, Stellantis said it had invested in solid-state battery startup Factorial alongside German automaker Daimler AG (DAIGn.DE).

"We can invest more and go deeper in the value chain," Tavares said. "There may be other (investments) in the near future."
Translation: "I'm going to forgo all the gobbledygook, and cut straight to the rigamarole"
 


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Translation: "I'm going to forgo all the gobbledygook, and cut straight to the rigamarole"
RIGAMAOLE! One of my favorite Windsurfing movies from 1990.
 

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Positioning for a handout? Or, trying to delay transition to EV?
Contestant named Bob: Alex, I'll take Positioning for a Handout and Trying to Delay Transition to EV for $1000.

Alex Trebek: Bob, you're on your own, If I were still the host I would probably make you chose one or the other.
 

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Pretty much explains why we've seen no full EV from the Dodge / Jeep / Chrysler group. "They need more time " ie we wasted the last 10 years doing nothing and we've been caught bent over with our pants at our ankles.
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