Summons feature availability?

[palimmer]

Why is it not available? Or will it be?

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[JCERRN]

We have been asking that for years. I think probably not a priority for Tesla until full autonomy comes to be. Then there will be no need for a separate summon feature. Right now, summon is included with FSD but I'm pretty sure its a separate stack as it existed separate from it.

 

[palimmer]

We have been asking that for years. I think probably not a priority for Tesla until full autonomy comes to be. Then there will be no need for a separate summon feature. Right now, summon is included with FSD but I'm pretty sure its a separate stack as it existed separate from it.

I still do not understand as it was available in my previous two
Teslas! Both Model Y.

 

[CyberGus]

Have you seen a Cybertruck?

It has no ASS

 

[SCTesla]

I still do not understand as it was available in my previous two
Teslas! Both Model Y.

I still do not understand as it was available in my previous two
Teslas! Both Model Y.

Summons was made on the Autopilot stack. The CT does not have Autopilot with Autosteer. Therefore the CT dies not have Summons.

Whenever they update ASS to the FSD stack, we will see it on the CT

 

[Jabman]

Have you seen a Cybertruck?

It has no ASS

That’s funny, because mine has a lot of junk in the trunk if you know what I mean

 

[HaulingAss]

I still do not understand as it was available in my previous two
Teslas! Both Model Y.

It probably has to do with maneuvering in tight spaces with four-wheel steering creating different low speed driving paths. It's different and not a priority given how close full autonomy is.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I would not hold my breath on Telsa FSD being close autonomy, HaulingAss.

Elon has been talking and saying it is just a year or two or three off since 2015.

Yes it is better than before but still has issues just by reading the posts here, and then they need to get Government/State approval for full use on all roads and in all conditions. Then there is the issue once they do get it the legal stuff on responsibility in the case of a accident.

Say the accident is with two FSD vehicles like a CT and Model Y how does that fight work out on blame for the accident if both are on FSD at the time of the accident?

I am not saying FSD will not happen at some point just not soon with all the stuff that needs to still happen.

His Cybercab dream is still just way off also. From what you can find out for yourself is they have a very small fleet (about 50) that is only allowed to drive in a small area of Austin, and the CA test is the same way with a bit larger fleet. Yet Elon says there will be 2 million per year of the Cybercabs once production is ramped up. But will be slower production in 2026 so he again gives himself a out. Lets just say he gets that 2 million per year at some point, how many Cybercabs does the US really need? Right now in 2025-26 there are about 1 million Uber and 1.4 million Lyft drivers and many of them do both so really lets say there are 2 million distinct drivers. Throw in the 300-400K company cab drivers and you have a total of 2.3 million in the US.

There is no way the U.S. alone can support even 1 million full time Cybercabs coming online for several years in a row unless they only last a year or two before being trashed. The numbers just do not work on demand. So for Elon's goals to be met of two million a year he needs China and Europe which have not given approval yet for even testing but may do it this year. Even then at some point there will be a point of diminishing returns if he keeps building them and adding to the fleet. These numbers do not even take into account the Waymo and other players trying to get into this market worldwide.

The thing with Elon is he can meet his goals most of the time at some point but his time frames are always way way off or the numbers he provides are why to high.

Just look how they did with the Cybertruck. They talked about million reservations and such but when it came for people to actually buy it, it just did not happen. From what I can tell there have been about 60,000 total sold for all the years combined. I am not saying the CT is a failure at all just that Telsa and Elon talk a good talk but do not bet your life on it.

So in conclusion, I am not saying Unsupervised FSD for the general public will not happen but I (my opinion now) just do not see it in the near future yet as in 2026-2027.

 

[turns2stone]

So in conclusion, I am not saying Unsupervised FSD for the general public will not happen but I (my opinion now) just do not see it in the near future yet as in 2026-2027.

People are literally riding around in the backseat of AI4 Model Ys today, with no driver in the front seat. Not sure how much better you think it would need to be get...

FSD is a lot different today in early '26 than it was even 2 years ago.

 

[SCTesla]

People are literally riding around in the backseat of AI4 Model Ys today, with no driver in the front seat. Not sure how much better you think it would need to be get...

FSD is a lot different today in early '26 than it was even 2 years ago.

Completely different than UFSD for consumers. Especially where it can drive everywhere. That's probably 1-2 years away.

Tesla has mapped Austin and geofence it to avoid certain intersections. Currently Unsupervised RT has a tiny boundary.

 

[turns2stone]

Completely different than UFSD for consumers. Especially where it can drive everywhere. That's probably 1-2 years away.

Tesla has mapped Austin and geofence it to avoid certain intersections. Currently Unsupervised RT has a tiny boundary.

We have people driving 1000s of miles (coast to coast!) on V14, without touching wheels or pedals...

Again I ask you, what exactly do you think is missing from v14.2 to keep it from being 'true UFSD'? Like actual missing feature or consistently dangerous behavior.

 

[SCTesla]

We have people driving 1000s of miles (coast to coast!) on V14, without touching wheels or pedals...

Again I ask you, what exactly do you think is missing from v14.2 to keep it from being 'true UFSD'? Like actual missing feature or consistently dangerous behavior.

There's plenty of edge cases.

Look how slow RT has "expanded". Elon said last year that RT would cover half the country, but actual RT is still in 1 city. Unsupervised RT is basically 2 blocks with 2-3 vehicles.

Even Elon isn't committing to UFSD "soon". When asked when consumers would see unsupervised he said as FSD improves we will relax driver monitoring.

Consumers will get less nags, but it will be a long time before our cars can drive around without us. Who knows if they will be capable without the additions on the Robotaxis (camera washers and Starlink).

 

[pae1andonly]

There's plenty of edge cases.

Look how slow RT has "expanded". Elon said last year that RT would cover half the country, but actual RT is still in 1 city. Unsupervised RT is basically 2 blocks with 2-3 vehicles.

Even Elon isn't committing to UFSD "soon". When asked when consumers would see unsupervised he said as FSD improves we will relax driver monitoring.

Consumers will get less nags, but it will be a long time before our cars can drive around without us. Who knows if they will be capable without the additions on the Robotaxis (camera washers and Starlink).

Anyone know how they integrated Starlink?

 

[Darmie]

Would you really use it? Only a few occasions that I've used it on our vehicles over the years. Ass works dang near perfect on our 24 M3P but I just don't use it. Sure. it's a great party trick but not used that much.

Now with that said, it sure would be nice if you hop out at the curb and the vehicle locates a parking spot and parks. Then ASS would probably be used more.

 

[Lilredwagon]

I would not hold my breath on Telsa FSD being close autonomy, HaulingAss.

Elon has been talking and saying it is just a year or two or three off since 2015.

Yes it is better than before but still has issues just by reading the posts here, and then they need to get Government/State approval for full use on all roads and in all conditions. Then there is the issue once they do get it the legal stuff on responsibility in the case of a accident.

Say the accident is with two FSD vehicles like a CT and Model Y how does that fight work out on blame for the accident if both are on FSD at the time of the accident?

I am not saying FSD will not happen at some point just not soon with all the stuff that needs to still happen.

His Cybercab dream is still just way off also. From what you can find out for yourself is they have a very small fleet (about 50) that is only allowed to drive in a small area of Austin, and the CA test is the same way with a bit larger fleet. Yet Elon says there will be 2 million per year of the Cybercabs once production is ramped up. But will be slower production in 2026 so he again gives himself a out. Lets just say he gets that 2 million per year at some point, how many Cybercabs does the US really need? Right now in 2025-26 there are about 1 million Uber and 1.4 million Lyft drivers and many of them do both so really lets say there are 2 million distinct drivers. Throw in the 300-400K company cab drivers and you have a total of 2.3 million in the US.

There is no way the U.S. alone can support even 1 million full time Cybercabs coming online for several years in a row unless they only last a year or two before being trashed. The numbers just do not work on demand. So for Elon's goals to be met of two million a year he needs China and Europe which have not given approval yet for even testing but may do it this year. Even then at some point there will be a point of diminishing returns if he keeps building them and adding to the fleet. These numbers do not even take into account the Waymo and other players trying to get into this market worldwide.

The thing with Elon is he can meet his goals most of the time at some point but his time frames are always way way off or the numbers he provides are why to high.

Just look how they did with the Cybertruck. They talked about million reservations and such but when it came for people to actually buy it, it just did not happen. From what I can tell there have been about 60,000 total sold for all the years combined. I am not saying the CT is a failure at all just that Telsa and Elon talk a good talk but do not bet your life on it.

So in conclusion, I am not saying Unsupervised FSD for the general public will not happen but I (my opinion now) just do not see it in the near future yet as in 2026-2027.

There was a new CT owner on FB yesterday that said his vin code was in the 90,000.

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