Towing tested with 6,000lb Tesla and trailer load

[rbrak29]

For most people you start with fresh water full and black/grey empty. Then water magically transfers.
If the grey/black is full, and the fresh is as well, simply put, it may become a crappy experience.

“Magically transfer” ?? There is no way of “transferring” from the fresh water tank to the grey/black tank unless you turn the pump on and open a faucet. I do not do either while towing. Now that would be stupid.

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[Woodrick]

Huh? Why not? The most likely reason someone might charge to 100% is because they're towing something big. EV manufacturers EXPECT people to charge to 100% when they need to, or they wouldn't make it available!

I think the numbers matter, regardless of the specific use case.

Charging to 100% before leaving on a trip is fine.

Charging from 0 to 100% should never be done.

Charging from 80%-100% on a Supercharger is not a smart thing to do.

If you want to know what a charging speed is, you don't spec to 100%

 

[Woodrick]

“Magically transfer” ?? There is no way of “transferring” from the fresh water tank to the grey/black tank unless you turn the pump on and open a faucet. I do not do either while towing. Now that would be stupid.

Why in the crap are you having such problems to understand a simple concept / somewhat a joke?

You leave to go camping with a full fresh water tank. A few days after camping, the fresh water tank empties and the water appears in the black water tank. It's "magic"

Having a full fresh water tank and a full black water tank is just something that doesn't happen. Assuming that you have any experience camping.

 

[cvalue13]

Having a full fresh water tank and a full black water tank is just something that doesn't happen.

didn’t you say it was dangerous and stupid?

 

[rbrak29]

Why in the crap are you having such problems to understand a simple concept / somewhat a joke?

You leave to go camping with a full fresh water tank. A few days after camping, the fresh water tank empties and the water appears in the black water tank. It's "magic"

Having a full fresh water tank and a full black water tank is just something that doesn't happen. Assuming that you have any experience camping.

It's not magic. You turn on the FW pump, open a faucet, the waste water goes into the grey/black tank. Simple, not magic, just gravity.

I am not camping, I am towing with full tanks to simulate a weighted trailer and determine mileage with the Lightning. FW pump off, no faucet running.

"Having a full fresh water tank and a full black water tank is just something that doesn't happen"
It does happen if you leave the pump on and a faucet open and leave for a few hours.

I have been towing a travel trailer for since 2016, 16K per year. Three different trailers.

 

[CyberTruckeeTheOne]

The analysts have been wrong on Tesla since before Tesla went public. In 2014 Tesla said they planned to hit 1/2 million pure electric cars in 2020. The analysts laughed. Legacy auto laughed. Said it was impossible, not enough demand, too expensive, bad value proposition, many of the things they are saying now about the Cybertruck. No one was laughing 6 years later when Tesla put out 1/2 million cars, all pure electric.

Go out on the street, places where the recently delivered Cybertrucks are visiting and see the positive reactions. People LOVE this truck. Most pre-orders were for the Dual Motor and below. Tesla exceeded the anticipated EPA range of 300+ miles by 40 miles. The average motorist does about 30 miles per day.

The Cybertruck will kill it once production ramps up to high volumes and buyers don't have to pay the Foundation Edition tax.

I think it's the disappointment in Cybertruck's value proposition of unexciting range and high prices.

And then the chatter of low uptake.

 

[HaulingAss]

personally I don't believe in shorting because it carries unlimited risk if the stock goes up. But as a tesla bull since 2016, I am sick of seeing my portfolio go up and down with tesla stock, so I sold 1/2 of my tesla shares and bought some puts so as tesla is dropping, my portfolio stays about the same. Some technical analysts are predicting the stock will drop to 180, so at that point I can sell the puts and buy back in.

Oh my, I wish I could impart some valuable wisdom, I will try but I'm afraid it will fall on deaf ears.

1) Never listen to Wall Street Analysts. I can't emphasize this enough. The proof is that they publish the results of their work for free. No one works for free which is all the proof you need that their analysis is designed to control the market, not help out strangers. They are not trying to help you, could it be any more obvious?

2) In my 30+ years of being a serious investor, I've made a lot more money doing the opposite of what most Wall Street analysts were saying. And I mean A LOT! This has happened time and time again. It is not a coincidence (see #1 above).

3) It's nearly impossible to get rich trading, very few can do it, plenty of people get rich buying and holding great growth companies through the normal volatility. The more profitable a company is thought to be, the more volatile the shares of that company will be. Don't worry about the stock price, watch the growth and progress of the company with a wide-angle lens in a landscape composed of ~5-year time periods.

With byd and the chinese economy, IMO tesla stock is in for a rough year. The only thing that will turn things around IMO is either the M2 or FSD as I have come to the conclusion that the CT will not help the bottom line unless the price and range improve.

BYD will not significantly impact Tesla's growth because only around 2% of the global fleet has been electrified. There is plenty of room for other star performers, without detracting from Tesla.

Probably more important here is that you appear to think Tesla is an auto company. TSLA shares are already priced appropriately for the risks and rewards going forward in the auto industry. The reason TSLA shares are worth so much more has to do with Tesla's initiatives in the fields of energy, robotics and AI. Revenue in these sectors may dwarf auto revenues within 8-16 years and those revenues will start to be valued long before they hit the company's books at scale (the same way TSLA shares valued automotive growth long before the profits were significant). It's very difficult to predict when the market will value these things more or when the next signficant milestone in energy, autonomy or robotics will be reached.

Given all of Tesla's initiatives, combined with where Tesla is positioned in the auto market, the stock is a strong buy at current prices. Technical analysis is for the birds, like trying to drive forward by looking in your rearview mirror. It may or may not hit the $180 you are waiting for. Missing out would be a bigger strategic error than paying 20% more than you had to. Very few people buy at the absolute low. Get in early and stay in, as long as the future looks bright.

It's very easy to miss out on the tremendous growth of the world's best companies by waiting for a lower price that never arrives. It's easy to justify this behavior by counting beans until the cows come home and claiming it is over-valued. Wall Street Analysts have a long history of telling people to sell, while their colleagues in the next room are loading up their wealthiest clients with millions of shares. They need sell ratings to free up enough shares to get their best clients in, without causing the share price to run away before they are done buying.

Never listen to analysts, just invest in growth and don't sell simply "to lock in your gains". The most expensive beginner mistake is selling years too early, you want all those shares compounding in value over time. Worrying about whether the share price will go up or down in the near-term is a fools game. The best and wealthiest investors will tell you the same thing. I'm talking about investors who have long enough track records that their performance is beyond a fluke.

Sure, in hindsight I would rather be wildly lucky than smart, if being wildly lucky turned out to be more profitable. But because luck is always far from certain, it's always better to plan on being smart about your investing, rather than trying to become lucky. And the smartest investors know it's easier to chart the growth and probable success of a company than it is to chart near-term moves in the share price. Wall Street needs you to buy and sell because it increases their gains, so they will always try to make you think you can outsmart the market by following their reasoned analysis. It rarely works out how they say, and Tesla stock is the poster child of this.

 

[HaulingAss]

I think it's the disappointment in Cybertruck's value proposition of unexciting range and high prices.

And then the chatter of low uptake.

Not directly. I think the share price is reacting to evidence that bringing the 4680 cells to the energy density and cost that were anticipated in Tesla's 6-year battery plan (2020-2026) is not proceeding ahead of schedule and may be 1-2 years behind. It's only tangentially related to Cybertruck. Of course, things in this specific arena (4680 cell development and production) could look very different in only one year's time. It's very hard to predict individual milestones, and much easier to focus on the steady progress and growth and a broadening of goals and industries to disrupt in a beneficial fashion.

If TSLA share price is responding to chatter of low uptake of Cybertruck, the market is dumber than even I thought it was. Chatter is just chatter. No doubt we are in a difficult period for auto sales in general, and that has also impacted the share price, in a short-sighted sort of way. The auto industry has always been a strongly cyclical industy in terms of sales and profits, but I don't think there is a lot of question who is going to come out of it on a very strong footing in terms of future profits and sales. This is what the smartest investors, those who are the most productive over time, focus on.

 

[CyberTruckeeTheOne]

@HaulingAss - in the simplest term, everyone thought that the Cybertruck will wow the industry and it did not.

Then there is the FSD, battery, Giga Germany supply chain issues, Nordic countries' refusal to move Tesla cars, Elon tweets and threats.

Tech stocks are going strong except Tesla.

Again, I'm a stockholder and my portfolio is drowning in red ink. And I wish it's otherwise.

 

[HaulingAss]

@HaulingAss - in the simplest term, everyone thought that the Cybertruck will wow the industry and it did not.

Then there is the FSD, battery, Giga Germany supply chain issues, Nordic countries' refusal to move Tesla cars, Elon tweets and threats.

Tech stocks are going strong except Tesla.

Again, I'm a stockholder and my portfolio is drowning in red ink. And I wish it's otherwise.

I had been watching TSLA stock since the IPO in 2012 but I didn't start building a position until I saw that the risk/reward profile fit my investment objectives, it was the middle of 2019. My cost per share was $184/share then (just over $12/share now, after a 5/1 split and a 3/1 split). So, my shares have increased 18-fold in value. Because I bought and held over the last 4 1/2 years. I expect them to quadruple again in the next 3-5 years.

I'm not complaining, if you are, you are too impatient to be a good investor. It's common for people to get antsy if the share price of their stock isn't appreciating and sell. That's a beginner mistake that has cost many retail investors dearly.

 

[davelloydbrown]

Oh my, I wish I could impart some valuable wisdom, I will try but I'm afraid it will fall on deaf ears.

1) Never listen to Wall Street Analysts. I can't emphasize this enough. The proof is that they publish the results of their work for free. No one works for free which is all the proof you need that their analysis is designed to control the market, not help out strangers. They are not trying to help you, could it be any more obvious?

2) In my 30+ years of being a serious investor, I've made a lot more money doing the opposite of what most Wall Street analysts were saying. And I mean A LOT! This has happened time and time again. It is not a coincidence (see #1 above).

3) It's nearly impossible to get rich trading, very few can do it, plenty of people get rich buying and holding great growth companies through the normal volatility. The more profitable a company is thought to be, the more volatile the shares of that company will be. Don't worry about the stock price, watch the growth and progress of the company with a wide-angle lens in a landscape composed of ~5-year time periods.




BYD will not significantly impact Tesla's growth because only around 2% of the global fleet has been electrified. There is plenty of room for other star performers, without detracting from Tesla.

Probably more important here is that you appear to think Tesla is an auto company. TSLA shares are already priced appropriately for the risks and rewards going forward in the auto industry. The reason TSLA shares are worth so much more has to do with Tesla's initiatives in the fields of energy, robotics and AI. Revenue in these sectors may dwarf auto revenues within 8-16 years and those revenues will start to be valued long before they hit the company's books at scale (the same way TSLA shares valued automotive growth long before the profits were significant). It's very difficult to predict when the market will value these things more or when the next signficant milestone in energy, autonomy or robotics will be reached.

Given all of Tesla's initiatives, combined with where Tesla is positioned in the auto market, the stock is a strong buy at current prices. Technical analysis is for the birds, like trying to drive forward by looking in your rearview mirror. It may or may not hit the $180 you are waiting for. Missing out would be a bigger strategic error than paying 20% more than you had to. Very few people buy at the absolute low. Get in early and stay in, as long as the future looks bright.

It's very easy to miss out on the tremendous growth of the world's best companies by waiting for a lower price that never arrives. It's easy to justify this behavior by counting beans until the cows come home and claiming it is over-valued. Wall Street Analysts have a long history of telling people to sell, while their colleagues in the next room are loading up their wealthiest clients with millions of shares. They need sell ratings to free up enough shares to get their best clients in, without causing the share price to run away before they are done buying.

Never listen to analysts, just invest in growth and don't sell simply "to lock in your gains". The most expensive beginner mistake is selling years too early, you want all those shares compounding in value over time. Worrying about whether the share price will go up or down in the near-term is a fools game. The best and wealthiest investors will tell you the same thing. I'm talking about investors who have long enough track records that their performance is beyond a fluke.

Sure, in hindsight I would rather be wildly lucky than smart, if being wildly lucky turned out to be more profitable. But because luck is always far from certain, it's always better to plan on being smart about your investing, rather than trying to become lucky. And the smartest investors know it's easier to chart the growth and probable success of a company than it is to chart near-term moves in the share price. Wall Street needs you to buy and sell because it increases their gains, so they will always try to make you think you can outsmart the market by following their reasoned analysis. It rarely works out how they say, and Tesla stock is the poster child of this.

Because of selling some of my shares and buying the puts (which have more than doubled), my portfolio has stayed exactly the same, while tesla shares have dropped 50. It is not called trading, it is called hedging your long position which works quite fine thank you.

 

[davelloydbrown]

I had been watching TSLA stock since the IPO in 2012 but I didn't start building a position until I saw that the risk/reward profile fit my investment objectives, it was the middle of 2019. My cost per share was $184/share then (just over $12/share now, after a 5/1 split and a 3/1 split). So, my shares have increased 18-fold in value. Because I bought and held over the last 4 1/2 years. I expect them to quadruple again in the next 3-5 years.

I'm not complaining, if you are, you are too impatient to be a good investor. It's common for people to get antsy if the share price of their stock isn't appreciating and sell. That's a beginner mistake that has cost many retail investors dearly.

I have owned tesla shares since 2015, fortunately I sold my entire portfolio including tesla in early 2020 because I knew covid was going to be bad. I bought back in in April of 2020 and have done quiet well.

The only mistake I made was buying back into tesla in late 2020 at around $1300 pre split. I knew tesla shares were going to eventually take off, but it was a combination of tesla becoming profitable, rapid deployment of the MY and joing the S&P altogether that casued the rapid spike in the share price in 2020.

You were lucky to get in just at the right time and of course you are going to preach a hold and wait strategy because your cost base is so low.

Tesla gets just as much attention as bitcoin because it is a very visible and volitle stock. Thats what traders make money on are volitile stocks because they go up and down so much. But for a buy and hold strategy, this can cause a lot of upheaval to someones portfolio who may have a significant amount of it invested in Tesla, let alone someone who is "all in".

Telsa has very little debt and there is no doubt that tesla is a company of the future so that there is very little chance that it will go bankrupt. Indeed, if FSD actually works, there is unlimited potential but this most likely will take years. Despite the energy business, dogo and optimus, the vast majority of tesla's revenue comes from selling cars. When tesla had a high growth rate then its peg was under two, now that their growth rate is slowing, their p/e is looking pretty high and the market will determine what its correct price is.

The market is never wrong.

 

[MotoBenelli]

Are we talking about range here or stock investing? I put 7k on Tesla two days after the initial CT announcement, rather than FSD, thinking it would be my down payment for that CT reservation and that turned out to be able to buy me two CTs after one sell/buy. I’m still going to take delivery of my “FREE” CT as a show pony Denver driver yet keeping my $43k V6 Tundra to take my dirt bikes and Airstream (full of water in a third of its tank count) across the Rocky Mountains, or windy Wyoming (at 85mph). Along with keeping my Polestar for easier city parking and using my wife’s R1S for our yearly holiday dog in tow pilgrimage to Detroit. So the CT really hasn’t lightened up my mountain town driveway and will probably only give the neighbors a subject to talk about that I fulfilled my four years of ranting that I reserved one of these based on an NPR story of them breaking the windows at their keynote.

 

[BeerRunner]

The real drag to this is there aren’t any EV pull thrus for charging yet. Meaning you would have to disconnect the trailer to charge and then reconnect several times in a long-haul trip. Not ideal. Maybe Buc’es one day will have something to offer.

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