Towing tested with 6,000lb Tesla and trailer load

[Bsimmer3000]

You just can't win. You are indeed talking to someone who owned a Leaf with a factory new range of 88 miles. It fit my needs. Enough that I got a second Leaf.

So leave already. You have proven you don't belong here.

what is it had less than half the range you were told. Would 40miles work for you? You seem to think having 1/2 the miles is ok for everyone else. Let me guess no 40miles would work for you. At what point does a vehicle become not useful for its intended purpose? Maybe 20miles.

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[cvalue13]

not to mention:

could be fine in summer, but not in winter

could be fine if flat, not if uphill

As my kid would say, "It's just math, Bruh!"

Energy conversions:
1 gal of gasoline = 33.7kWh
1 gal of diesel = 37.1kWh

123kWh = 3.3 gal of diesel

If I put 3.3 gal of diesel in my truck and tow my travel trailer, it will go about 35mi! Cybertruck is doing pretty good with only 3.3 gal of diesel equivalent on board!

This is all.

And I would add:

Take a CT, convert it to gas/diesel, and you’ll see the exact same reduction in range based on the ambient conditions.

 

[Woodrick]

Now that is funny

They’re all marketing *stunts* - in the meaning of “intentionally misleading to evoke an emotional response, not a technically interesting result”

Have you followed the stunt of Trevor Milton and the Nikola truck?

The Porsche 911 stunt did exactly what it was designed to do.
It showed that this big pickup wasn't your classic pickup. That the Beast had a little more power than most other pickups (and sports cars)
And indeed, "How do you make that 911 faster off the line?"

It indeed had a technically interesting result. I haven't seen any complaints about the acceleration of the truck. Shut those naysayers up.

 

[Bsimmer3000]

that’s not a very thoughtful take, but it’s popular on platforms limited to 160 characters so makes sense it’s not very thoughtful

the “problem” isn’t that big

the “problem” where it does exist, is mostly for the consumer, not the OEMs

there are plenty of ways OEMs can and are “fixing” it


Eg, a year ago Ford gave all dealerships a choice, either:

(1) agree to to be the delivery point for electric vehicles configured/purchased online through Ford, on condition of stocking model BEVs and installing charging stations at your dealerships, or

(2) don’t agree, and you will be disallowed from selling BEVs

This was a forcing function to eradicate dealerships that will not convert to acting like Tesla-style delivery and service points.

And it worked just how Ford expected/hoped it would:

Half Of All Ford Dealers Won't Sell EVs Next Year

Media outlets and especially anti-Ford EV folks styled this outcome just as the above headline implies.

What they failed to emphasize:

“The other half, will now be obligated to be Tesla-style delivery/service points and charging stations”

That means 1,500 Tesla-styled delivery/service points for Ford EVs, where customers configure, pay through the website, and pick up their BEV locally.

1,500

Tesla has 250

That is not to try and make this convo about Ford being somehow better than Tesla in some metric.

It is only to emphasize how, with just one example that has already occurred, the zany idea the OEM’s “can’t fix” what little problems there are.

Ford segmented Model E as a new business, then within 12 months forced their hand.

And the 1/2 half of the dealerships? Ford has right of first refusal to purchase their dealerships.

The problem is the damage was done. I would have bought a lightening if it wasn’t for the local dealer attempting to add $20k to the already high MSRP. I had never paid MSRP for a vehicle made in the US so it was already a hard pill to swallow. Now if the T3 is as good as it could be then I might go look back at Ford but as far as I know there’s not a single dealer that signed up the the preferred EV program within 200miles of me. Fords site is not much help so I will know bettercwten the 2024’s hit lots.

 

[cvalue13]

Have you followed the stunt of Trevor Milton and the Nikola truck?

I don’t make a habit of searching for MORE dumb sh*t

enough comes across my desk passively

The Porsche 911 stunt did exactly what it was designed to do.

We agree there!

where we depart is on what it was supposed to “do”

It showed that this big pickup wasn't your classic pickup. That the Beast had a little more power than most other pickups (and sports cars)

see.

The 0-60 and 1/4 mile time was everything needed to know all that. Those were posted.

beyond that, the “stunt” was for the fat part of the bell curve who can understand neither the relevant stats nor that the “stunt” adds nothing but misleading rhetoric

It indeed had a technically interesting result.

guess we know what part of the curve you’re in

 

[cvalue13]

The problem is the damage was done. I would have bought a lightening if it wasn’t for the local dealer attempting to add $20k to the already high MSRP.

just like doctors, pilots, and plumbers - there are good ones and bad ones

sounds like you chose a bad one

which, you know, prevention being the cure…

 

[Woodrick]

Bsimmer3000 said:

The legacy makers have a problem they clearly can’t fix and that’s dealers.

that’s not a very thoughtful take, but it’s popular on platforms limited to 160 characters so makes sense it’s not very thoughtful

the “problem” isn’t that big

the “problem” where it does exist, is mostly for the consumer, not the OEMs

You don't remember all the threats that OEM were giving dealers talking about dealer markups above list for many "in demand EVs"? Ford Threatening Dealers That are Charging Markups for the Lightning - Motor Illustrated This has a direct impact on the OEMs.
A) it was money that they weren't making
B) it was making their customers mad.

No, they aren't the dealers' customers, they are the OEMs. People don't go to a dealer to buy cars; they go to a dealer that can give them the best price on an OEM's vehicles

And a problem that is mostly for the consumer IS a problem for the OEM.

And what do most customers think about their dealer a year after the purchase? How do they get that damned dealer logo off their vehicle!

 

[cvalue13]

You don't remember all the threats that OEM were giving dealers talking about dealer markups above list for many "in demand EVs"? Ford Threatening Dealers That are Charging Markups for the Lightning - Motor IllustratedThis has a direct impact on the OEMs.
A) it was money that they weren't making
B) it was making their customers mad.

No, they aren't the dealers' customers, they are the OEMs. People don't go to a dealer to buy cars; they go to a dealer that can give them the best price on an OEM's vehicles

And a problem that is mostly for the consumer IS a problem for the OEM.

And what do most customers think about their dealer a year after the purchase? How do they get that damned dealer logo off their vehicle!

You get it off by telling the dealer to take it off. Then dealer does it.

this is the sort of victim-hood BS that too clouds any discussion about current state of dealerhship model

there was NEVER any need to pay over MSRP for a Lightning, IF you had an order to place

if a sh*t dealer tried to put a markup over MSRP on a Lightning, you call a different dealer



show me someone who paid over MSRP on a Lightning, and I’ll show you someone who either didn’t care enough to avoid it, or who has also picked bad doctors, pilots, and plumbers

 

[VDR]

FUD - Fact is that you can't buy one today and the website has already dropped the range.


i.e. certainly sounds like they put out some mules and are doing a bait and switch.

Let's see just how cheap they are and what their range looks like after they start production.

I mean, after all, why is it taking so long from their mules to production?

That mostly sounds strangely similar to the CT scenario.

the CT wouldn’t make it 60miles towing that if it struggles to haul a car on a flat bed.

Under the same conditions the CT would surely get 1mi/kwh so at the very least 100miles.

You are correct i don’t like the patheticly low range. Would you like a vehicle that only got you 40miles between charges?

Where do you get this 40 miles nonsense from, let keep things real here.

So leave already. You have proven you don't belong here.

You have a CT on order?

You just can't win. You are indeed talking to someone who owned a Leaf with a factory new range of 88 miles. It fit my needs. Enough that I got a second Leaf.

Do you do much towing with your Leaf's?
The weight is actually much less a factor than how aerodynamic that frontal area is.

 

[cvalue13]

That mostly sounds strangely similar to the CT scenario.

this

for months the Tesla fanbois have been sitting in their sedans looking out at other OEM’s BEV trucks saying, in effect, “none of this shall challenge the Cybertruck, for it shall be built of unobtainium”

now we’re in that awkward phase

 

[REM]

no, I didn’t miss forest for trees.

I noticed a mirage that looked like a Forrest, then pointed out that the proof is if you look closely there aren’t any trees, only some young shrubs


The REASON being, there is nothing surprising in the result of the “stunt” to anyone who well enough understands it.

Put differently, it impresses only people without a clue.



Here’s an analogous and hypothetical “stunt” for you:

Chevy takes a 2024 Corvette C8 Z06 with a 10.6 1/4 mile time, and lines it up against a 2024 BMW 330i with a 14.0 1/4 mile time.

They run the race, and the Corvette barely beats the BMW 330i, which is only strange because the Corvette should have smoked a 330i

Chevy then opens the door of the C8, and says “surprise! We did two things here - first, we put 400lb of sandbags in the car because that actually helps it launch off the line even faster than normal - but THEN we also used only 87 octane fuel!!”

Response: “why?”

Chevy: “because you dipshits don’t know any better!”

Again, if a truck towing a trailer that's loaded with a sports car beating that same sports car doesn't impress you, then I don't know what would.

I can't even understand the premise of someone trying to break the stunt down as if it was a mathematical theorem to be solved. ?‍

 

[fritter63]

As my kid would say, "It's just math, Bruh!"

Energy conversions:
1 gal of gasoline = 33.7kWh
1 gal of diesel = 37.1kWh

123kWh = 3.3 gal of diesel

If I put 3.3 gal of diesel in my truck and tow my travel trailer, it will go about 35mi! Cybertruck is doing pretty good with only 3.3 gal of diesel equivalent on board!

While that is a great way to look at it, ICE heads don't seem to care so much about efficiency and cost.

They can put the equivalent of 1230kWh in that diesel tank..... (my regular gas Ram had a 35 gallon tank).

 

[VDR]

Again, if a truck towing a trailer that's loaded with a sports car beating that same sports car doesn't impress you, then I don't know what would.

I don't doubt that another brand of EV truck would have had very similar results.
What might actually be impressive & reflect some real world usefulness is if that CT could tow that same trailer combination over 150 miles on the hwy.

 

[cvalue13]

Again, if a truck towing a trailer that's loaded with a sports car beating that same sports car doesn't impress you, then I don't know what would.

You’re just repeating the rhetoric, which only has apparent meaning by juxtaposing the words “truck” and “sports car”

You’ll similarly be impressed to learn that there was once a man with no fight training who beat a championship boxer.

I mean, the boxer was the champion of the Jr. under 12 division, and the man was a 220lb blacksmith but ….

can you believe a man with no fight training beat a championship boxer?!

I can't even understand the premise of someone trying to break the stunt down as if it was a mathematical theorem to be solved. ?‍

and I’m as surprised as you are that it’s so hard to explain something so simple

“You see, the thing is, a 220lb grown man who is a blacksmith, is obviously so much larger, and stronger, that it really isn’t very interesting or surprising that he bear up a 12 year old, boxing champion or not”

doesn’t seem like it needs so much explanation, but here we are

 

[Gigahorse]

I don't doubt that another brand of EV truck would have had very similar results.
What might actually be impressive & reflect some real world usefulness is if that CT could tow that same trailer combination over 150 miles on the hwy.

Would be very doable range situation if the CT towed that car/trailer for 150miles on the highway in TX where you need to go 65MPH+

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