Videos: Opening Cybertruck door and charge port cover

[HaulingAss]

I think it's profoundly ignorant to reserve a vehicle that I never saw or drove. To each his own.

Reserving a Cybertruck during the reveal, as thousands of forward-thinking people did, demonstrates intelligence and good planning. The fully refundable $100 reservation bestows valuable options not available to the public.

The right to be one of the first people to own a Cybertruck, and without paying any premium for the huge supply/demand imbalance that would normally add tens of thousands of dollars to the price.

Or they can choose to get their $100 back.

Calling such forward thinking planning and execution "ignorant" is the definition of ignorance.

Think about it.

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[Greshnab]

Reserving a Cybertruck during the reveal, as thousands of forward-thinking people did, demonstrates intelligence and good planning. The fully refundable $100 reservation bestows valuable options not available to the public.

The right to be one of the first people to own a Cybertruck, and without paying any premium for the huge supply/demand imbalance that would normally add tens of thousands of dollars to the price.

Or they can choose to get their $100 back.

Calling such forward thinking planning and execution "ignorant" is the definition of ignorance.

Think about it.

i honestly think it is a troll so i just ignore him now... how could anyone say it is ignorant to put down a fully refundable deposit.. and mean it..

 

[HaulingAss]

I say overegineering because every feature you put in a vehicle adds to it's cost: The more expensive it is, the less likely the customer will buy it, if you don't have a trim level or option without it.

Huh? Tesla will sell as many Cybertrucks as they can make, for many years to come, the Hummer will be too far behind to even see them.

Tesla doesn't play games like legacy automakers, making the buyer add multiple options packages just to get that one thing they really want. Have you ever bought a Ford F-150? The options are endless and interconnected (and expensive). Tesla knows it's more efficient to just give everyone what they want, individual options are very cheap for a manufacturer to add to every car as a default and that way even buyers of lower trim levels get a well-equipped vehicle for a low price.

And finally, you legacy auto comments is halarious, especially when such companies are industry leaders in sales. Legacy would be more a more appropriate term for a company that no longer makes product x. I could use your same labeling an call Tesla legacy because of it's overly shallow trim level options and inventory depth.

Apparently, you are not familiar with common auto industry parlance, so it looks rather ridiculous when you criticize others for being ignorant.

I think you lost your way to the nearest TSLAQ support group.

 

[rudedawg78]

i honestly think it is a troll so i just ignore him now... how could anyone say it is ignorant to put down a fully refundable deposit.. and mean it..

Totally agree. He seems to be a troll who is in love with Ford.

 

[AlDente]

Just watched another interesting podcast from Munro (Cory) featuring Ken Smith. Cory said he and Sandy often talk about the differences between Legacy Auto companies and say a Tesla. Sandy said that in legacy auto peoples decisions are often based upon their career, not the car/truck. At Tesla, decisions (from Elon down) are based upon the car. My ownership experience indicates that is indeed the case.

Of course, the lack of wild color choices and many trim level options drives me crazy ... /s

 

[Greshnab]

Just watched another interesting podcast from Munro (Cory) featuring Ken Smith. Cory said he and Sandy often talk about the differences between Legacy Auto companies and say a Tesla. Sandy said that in legacy auto peoples decisions are often based upon their career, not the car/truck. At Tesla, decisions (from Elon down) are based upon the car. My ownership experience indicates that is indeed the case.

Of course, the lack of wild color choices and many trim level options drives me crazy ... /s

See now the lack of color/trim doesn't bother me at all.. if i want my car a different color i can get it wrapped or painted for almost the same price a premier paint would have cost from the dealer... trim level stuff is mostly the same.. tons of companies make all the cute stuff so you can just get it after market.

In exchange for that.. they <tesla> get to make a LOT more cars each year by not having to reconfigure the line..... as electric cars expand options for them will expand and demand will increase.. so for me handling that stuff on my own.. my used cars value goes up and after market options/charging locations increase.. i am a happy camper.

 

[HaulingAss]

...Statistics also show white cars are hit more often when parked than other colors, though.

Weird, right?

-Crissa

I didn't know that!

Funny thing, about 6 months ago my neighbor backed into my Pearl White Model 3 with the corner of the bumper of her F-150. It needed new rear bumper cover, new rear quarter panel and a bunch of other stuff, most surprising was how much of the car they had to paint to blend in the new panel with the old ones. This is what Cybertruck avoids, the expense of multiple coats of re-painting to match.

But, yeah, they did a fantastic job, it looks like it never happened.

 

[Deleted member 12457]

...Statistics also show white cars are hit more often when parked than other colors, though.

Weird, right?

-Crissa

My son lives in Minnesota and it's a hazard to have a white car. They blend into the snow making it difficult to see while snowing and when parked, especially when streets are cleared of snow. Never understood why people buy white cars. Probably because it's the least expensive pain color on many cars.

 

[Crissa]

My son lives in Minnesota and it's a hazard to have a white car. They blend into the snow making it difficult to see while snowing and when parked, especially when streets are cleared of snow. Never understood why people buy white cars. Probably because it's the least expensive pain color on many cars.

They're also the most fuel efficient, as they don't get as hot in the sun, and as pointed out above, least likely to be involved in traffic accidents.

Just don't park on the street in the snow?

-Crissa

 

[Deleted member 12457]

They're also the most fuel efficient, as they don't get as hot in the sun, and as pointed out above, least likely to be involved in traffic accidents.

Just don't park on the street in the snow?

-Crissa

I guess you haven't lived in an area where it snows a lot and you don't have the option to park anywhere else, especially when driveways can be covered with more snow than the streets.

Was there ever a heat study on the DeLorean to see whether stainless steel cooks the interior? I'm hoping it doesn't and unless the wraps have some kind of UV protection, I don't see them charging the "thermals" of the CT.

 

[cvalue13]

Never understood why people buy white cars.

come to Texas, where our incentives are the opposite of Minnesota

 

[HaulingAss]

My son lives in Minnesota and it's a hazard to have a white car. They blend into the snow making it difficult to see while snowing and when parked, especially when streets are cleared of snow. Never understood why people buy white cars. Probably because it's the least expensive pain color on many cars.

My wife and I each paid about $2k extra to get the beautiful Pearl White Multicoat on both of our 2018 Model 3's, mostly for the easy care and heat-reflecting abilities, but also to stand out visually more on the road during the many grey days in the Pacific Northwest when people are driving in a mental fog. We had a pavement grey Subaru wagon many years ago and the number of people who pulled out when we were going 40-50 mph, requiring immediate hard emergency braking to avoid collision, was shockingly high. Almost once per month during the winter. We started buying white cars and that issue just vanished.

In the snow and ice drivers are actually driving more deliberately, with a heightened state of awareness, trying to be more aware of other traffic, and most accidents are not the result of not seeing the other car, but of slipping on ice and not being able to turn or stop. So I'm not as worried about white blending in with the snow.

 

[Crissa]

I guess you haven't lived in an area where it snows a lot and you don't have the option to park anywhere else...

Then don't own a car.

I don't have sympathy for the 'but I had to park it on the street' crowd, sorry. Because they rarely put their actions and votes to select a place to live that fits their needs, and help to reduce the massive car dependence that makes them 'need' to own a car.

...I say this and my car is parked on the street, tho to be honest, the only time it has been hit while parked at this house was when it was parked in our carport!

-Crissa

 

[HaulingAss]

Was there ever a heat study on the DeLorean to see whether stainless steel cooks the interior? I'm hoping it doesn't and unless the wraps have some kind of UV protection, I don't see them charging the "thermals" of the CT.

OK, I'm getting tired of all the misinformation about stainless steel conducting heat to the inside of the vehicle more than other commonly used materials. It's false. Let's look at the facts:

Comparing the Thermal Conductivity of Stainless Steel to other Metals (stainless-structurals.com)

Thermal Conductivity in Certain Metals
Metals contain electrons that are primarily responsible for conducting heat. The highest thermal conductivities are present in the purest of metals in their annealed state. Metals commonly encountered in low temperature work include stainless steel, carbon steel, and aluminum.
In some metals, the thermal conductivity is a strong function of the purity and the condition of the metal. For cryogenic (cold producing) applications, copper and aluminum are used where good thermal conductivity is required. Stainless steel is used in applications where a relatively poor thermal conductivity is suitable. This would be applicable to infrastructure for things like structural framing members.

Conductivity in Aluminum
Pure aluminum has a thermal conductivity of about 235 watts per kelvin per meter. Aluminum alloys tend to have much lower conductivity. However, this is rarely as low as iron and steel. Aluminum is often used in electronic heat sinks due to the metal’s good thermal conductivity.

Conductivity in Carbon Steel
The thermal conductivity of carbon steel is much lower than that of aluminum. Its thermal conductivity is around 45 watts per kelvin per meter. This material is a good and economical choice for building structural components.

Conductivity in Stainless Steel
Stainless steel has an even lower conductivity than carbon steel at about 15 watts per kelvin per meter. Stainless steel is an ideal material for structures in corrosive environments or for Architecturally Exposed Structural Steel (AESS) applications.

Benefits of Stainless Steel
Materials with low thermal conductivity prevent heat transmission. This can result in better energy efficiency and stability of the material. Stainless steel’s lower thermal conductivity makes it a good material for building facades, glass applications and curtain wall systems. Stainless steel also remains stable when in contact with heat, such as during a manufacturing process or in food processing equipment such as ovens and conveyors.


From the above, we can see that stainless steel conducts only 1/3 as much heat as carbon steel, which is what most cars are made of. The Model S, last I checked, had an all-aluminum body, and the Model 3 has aluminum panels on all the swinging panels, doors and hood and trunk. Granted, it's aluminum alloy, not pure aluminum. Pure aluminum is a very efficient conductor of heat, over 15 times as much heat as stainless steel.

Stainless steel also has very low emissivity, that means it will radiate heat less, both to the inside and the outside. The low emissivity is why it feels hot to the touch, the sun heats it up and it radiates very little of the heat away. But it is very poor at conducting heat, so even where it is in contact with carbon steel underneath, it is not efficient at conducting the heat toward the carbon steel framing.

Thermal conductivity of aluminum, steel and stainless steel:

aluminum: 235 watts per kelvin per meter
steel: 45 watts per kelvin per meter
stainless steel: 15 watts per kelvin per meter
titanium: 11 watts per Kelvin per meter
carbon fiber: 5 watts per Kelvin per meter

Which would you rather be inside of on a hot, sunny day? Let's stop repeating the fake narritive that stainless steel will turn the Cybertruck into a cooker. Only carbon fiber or titanium would be cooler, and you might have to paint the carbon fiber a light color, inside and out, to get it there. That's because light colors have lower emissivity, which means they radiate less heat, yes, painting the inside of carbon fiber body panels white will lower heat gain inside the cabin.

Maybe in a few years Tesla will offer a special edition Cybertruck, made of titanium, It would finally push the price into the six digits, as all the Tesla naysayers would love. Wouldn't a titanium Cybertruck be cool! Yes, the pun is intentional!

Now let's stop spreading the misinformation that stainless steel will turn the Cybertruck into a cooker - it's actually a huge thermal benefit, compared to regular steel, both for keeping the cabin interior cool in the sun and also for slowing heat loss in the cold.

 

[CyberGus]

OK, I'm getting tired of all the misinformation about stainless steel conducting heat to the inside of the vehicle more than other commonly used materials. It's false.

Metal in the sun gets hot. Darker colors will warm faster than lighter ones, although after a few hours in the Texas heat everything will be hotter than Satan's balls regardless.

Stainless should actually reject more heat than even white paint, being very reflective. However, I can tell you from experience that loitering around a stainless steel vehicle all day will get you allot more UV exposure than you expected. And a nice tan.

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