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[JBee]

Well it takes two to tango. There are a lot of facets to the story.

The biggest difference I believe with this series of crisis is the level of system interconnectivity and the roll of mass media and information manipulation.

I don't think there has been a time when so much information has been available, true or not, and how information itself is being weaponised, without a physical shot being fired. Sometimes it appears that the real war being fought is in the non-cartesian realm, where a war of ideas is taking place in our minds, which has become the new battlegrounds of this milenia.

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[Crissa]

It doesn't take two to have a war. The target doesn't get a choice in the matter.

-Crissa

 

[firsttruck]

It doesn't take two to have a war. The target doesn't get a choice in the matter.

-Crissa

Warren Buffett has said the same thing about economics (common worker vs ultra-wealthy) in U.S. for what has now happened over 30 years.


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BUFFETT: `There’s been class warfare for the last 20 years, and my class has won’
By Greg Sargent September 30, 2011
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...class-has-won/2011/03/03/gIQApaFbAL_blog.html

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BUFFETT: Actually, there’s been class warfare going on for the last 20 years, and my class has won. We’re the ones that have gotten our tax rates reduced dramatically. If you look at the 400 highest taxpayers in the United States in 1992, the first year for figures, they averaged about $40 million of [income] per person. In the most recent year, they were $227 million per person — five for one. During that period, their taxes went down from 29 percent to 21 percent of income. So, if there’s class warfare, the rich class has won.
E.J. Dionne wrote the other day that conservatives despise Buffett because he’s telling the truth about the lower tax rates the rich pay on their investments — and worse, he’s insisting that this is fundamentally unfair. As Buffett did above yet again, he’s giving away the game.

Indeed, what the cries of “class warfare” really show is that Buffett has succeeded in forcing a national conversation about the regressive aspects of our tax system. This latest claim — that the real class warfare has actually been waged downwards, to great success — is another welcome addition to this debate.

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[JBee]

It doesn't take two to have a war. The target doesn't get a choice in the matter.

-Crissa

I'm not sure how you mean that, because a war of just one party is not how it normally works. Are you saying the defendant doesn't have any choice but to defend from an aggressor?

I agree that there are victims in war, but they are not limited to one side either, agressor or defender. That was not the reason for my statement though.

Rather it was because, like in various other things, there are more than just two sides to the story, and the two sides being represented are both not being 100% honest about the circumstances on the ground, and what people want or not. Such is the nature of propaganda, war typically exaggerates this, and not only from the perspective of the two sides.

Although the subject wasn't Ukraine, rather energy security and how to make it work using local battery storage through subsidies, I'd like to point out that Ukraine was for some time the "heartland of Russia", 46% of Ukrainians speak Russian, 49% have direct Russian relatives, and 11-12 million ethnic Russians are currently living there.

Now if we wanted to have a conversation of who is what and where they belong, that would be quite a challenge, because the situation is as clear as mud on who's side who is, and who's been victimised for what, or who belongs there in the first place. There are so many places of conflict that have this trait. Let alone around arbitrary man-made lines on a map to divide regimes and people who share the same or similar culture. To be clear this does not justify in any way such action, from either side, but rather only highlights the fact that the popular bilateral propaganda war we are exposed too, is far from the story on the ground.

 

[firsttruck]

I'm not sure how you mean that, because a war of just one party is not how it normally works.
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war between groups/countries or personal fights are started by one side and the other side usually is trying to protect itself.

Are you saying the defendant doesn't have any choice but to defend from an aggressor?
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Are you saying the defendant has no right to defense ???

Sounds like abuser logic.

Similar to abusers trying to blame women always have some responsibility for for any beating or rape. Women do not always or even most of times have any responsibility for for any beating or rape.

There are not always two sides to every story. Sometimes there's is only one factual side, sometimes the facts are unclear and there are honestly multiply interpretations, some times one side is honest and other sides are dishonest.

To often people want to be lazy and just assume two sides instead of doing the work to get the facts and true causes of situation.

The current Ukraine war is 100% on Putin. The U.S. wars in Vietnam, Iraq2, and prisoners without fair trials in Gitmo are 100% on U.S.

Nonviolence protest only works when the opposition has a conscious. In India if it had been Hitler vs nonviolence Gandhi the result would have been 10s of millions dead Indians.

 

[JBee]

war between groups/countries or personal fights are started by one side and the other side usually is trying to protect itself.




Are you saying the defendant has no right to defense ???

Sounds like abuser logic.

Similar to abusers trying to blame women always have some responsibility for for any beating or rape. Women do not always or even most of times have any responsibility for for any beating or rape.

There are not always two sides to every story. Sometimes there's is only one factual side, sometimes the facts are unclear and there are honestly multiply interpretations, some times one side is honest and other sides are dishonest.

To often people want to be lazy and just assume two sides instead of doing the work to get the facts and true causes of situation.

The current Ukraine war is 100% on Putin. The U.S. wars in Vietnam, Iraq2, and prisoners without fair trials in Gitmo are 100% on U.S.

Nonviolence protest only works when the opposition has a conscious. In India if it had been Hitler vs nonviolence Gandhi the result would have been 10s of millions dead Indians.

Wow that statement went sideways pretty fast!! I didn't say any of those things or even imply them, you said them and launched a character assassinations to boot...
I was just trying to clarify what Crissa actually meant to understand the statement and before engaging on the comment.

I didn't mention anything about non-violent protest, or how I thought Ukraine should respond. In fact, I didn't even mention Ukraine, a actually said in my post that it WAS NOT about it. I have mentioned nothing about the matter until Crissa's post, and was talking about how Germany should have subsidies for batteries as well so they can improve their energy security. Which is part of the thread subject, at least in my view seeing they are pulling some battery gear from GB. Dunno how we got on the "warpath".

Maybe read to understand, then ask if you understand it properly before launching your nukes?

In fact I said the opposite in the same post that, the real victims are those on whom war is being perpetrated, there are victims on both sides, from the action of a very few, because the people follow blindly what leaders tell them.

So the "perpetrator" might be Putin, but not all Russians agree with him. Do you understand the difference?

The aggression is strategic and escalation is on both sides, and the USA has more to do with it than you apparently think. Do you know what is funding the US post covid economic recovery?? Do you know how crisis promotes control and economic activity? Remember running out of toilet paper? ah right...

Thinking that the Russian protectionism had nothing to do with NATO doubling it's borders to Russia, or accepting Ukraine into EU is just plain naïve thinking, typical of the US and the fluff that is dispersed on mass hysteria media.

Thank you BTW for exactly making my point. Your programing to attack and label me to defend your position is working incredibly well.

The proof is in the pudding.

 

[Crissa]

It'd still be a war, even if Ukraine didn't fight back.

-Crissa

 

[firsttruck]

Wow that statement went sideways pretty fast!! I didn't say any of those things or even imply them, you said them and launched a character assassinations to boot...
I was just trying to clarify what Crissa actually meant to understand the statement and before engaging on the comment.

Crissa did not make the statements below, you did

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because a war of just one party is not how it normally works.
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Rather it was because, like in various other things, there are more than just two sides to the story, and the two sides being represented are both not being 100% honest about the circumstances on the ground,
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Both are bullshit

I'd like to point out that Ukraine was for some time the "heartland of Russia", 46% of Ukrainians speak Russian, 49% have direct Russian relatives, and 11-12 million ethnic Russians are currently living there.

Now if we wanted to have a conversation of who is what and where they belong, that would be quite a challenge, because the situation is as clear as mud on who's side who is, and who's been victimised for what, or who belongs there in the first place. There are so many places of conflict that have this trait. Let alone around arbitrary man-made lines on a map to divide regimes and people who share the same or similar culture. To be clear this does not justify in any way such action, from either side, but rather only highlights the fact that the popular bilateral propaganda war we are exposed too, is far from the story on the ground.

Ohh, so you did mention Ukraine too.

None of the above should be justification for Putin to attack & invade Ukraine.

In beginning of WW2 Russia was actually allied with Hitler. For the most part in the last 90 years the only significant attack on Russia was by fascist Germany or Japan in WW2 while Russia has invaded multiple neighboring countries. I don't know of any invasions of Russia since end of WW2.

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How many countries had Russia preemptively invaded or keep country after WW2 ended over last 90 years?
https://www.quora.com/How-many-countries-had-Russia-invaded-in-its-history


Russian Federation
Ukraine (2022)
[Syria]
Ukraine/Crimea (2014)
Georgia (allegedly on behalf of Abkhazia and South Ossetian govts, which Russia now recognizes as countries)
[Chechnya] - Chechnya declared independence from Russia, but that was largely not recognized

Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
1. Afghanistan

2. Czechoslovakia

4. Hungary

5. WW2:
a. [Poland, Hungary, Austria, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Finland, Norway, Korea, Japan, China] - Soviet forces fought their way into these countries from 1944-45, driving back occupying Axis troops and the local Axis-allied forces. After the war, the Soviet Union took territory Poland, Romania, and Hungary into the USSR's borders, and moved other borders around. Also invaded were the Baltic States and Moldova, which the Soviet Union considered its own territory at this point, whether or not the locals did; there was also fighting with anti-Soviet partisans within USSR borders, especially in Ukraine.
b. [Yugoslavia] - Soviet troops crossed this country as part of the war, but the local partisans, who had largely liberated the country, didn't let them stay and occupy.
c. Iran - invaded to provide a link to British forces in southern Iran
d. Finland 1940 - Winter War
e. Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Romania/Moldova - the territories the Soviet Union incorporated it into itself as a result of the Secret Protocols of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
f: Poland 1939 - also invaded under the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

6. Poland 1919 - Polish-Soviet War


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The speech at the end should be taught to every child in U.S. and in 2022 a large % of U.S. adults need to hear it too.


A Stranger In Town (1943)
A Supreme Court Justice wants a vacation hunting ducks in the country, but gets involved with corrupt small town officials.

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[Crissa]

It's really irrelevant what some Russians think, or in fact if Ukraine is the cultural source of Russian identity.

Russia invaded and waged war against the Ukraine.

Notice, Ukraine's reaction - passive resistance, active fighting, surrender, etc - isn't in that sentence. The war did not require Ukraine's own agency, its participation to exist.

-Crissa

 

[charliemagpie]

It is all about who ultimately controls the cheque book.

And/Or

Its Religion

Politics is for the plebs to keep busy in the meantime.

 

[JBee]

@Crissa @firsttruck

Not sure what the hostility is about but anyways, let me counter yours's and Crissa's so called "arguments" and statements with what I understand under the definitions of war, which to the best of my knowledge is a common and well used term:

Crissa said at 2:06 AM:

It doesn't take two to have a war. The target doesn't get a choice in the matter.

-Crissa

Crissa further stated:

It'd still be a war, even if Ukraine didn't fight back.

-Crissa

and lastly:

It's really irrelevant what some Russians think, or in fact if Ukraine is the cultural source of Russian identity.

Russia invaded and waged war against the Ukraine.

Notice, Ukraine's reaction - passive resistance, active fighting, surrender, etc - isn't in that sentence. The war did not require Ukraine's own agency, its participation to exist.

-Crissa

Now if I look up the definition of "war" I get from wiki:

" War is an intense armed conflict[a] between states, governments, societies, or paramilitary groups such as mercenaries, insurgents, and militias. "

or from Merriam-Webster:

" a state of usually open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations "

Now I might be pedantic but for the avoidance of doubt "between" means:

" at, into, or across the space separating (two objects or regions)."

Which is exactly how I understand the definition of war, being between at least two parties.

You can't have a war of "one" party. To say so is either plain ridiculous or flat-out dumb.

Hence my question, that was completely taken out of context, and blown to smithereens with a character attack and pile on.

I'm not sure how you mean that, because a war of just one party is not how it normally works. Are you saying the defendant doesn't have any choice but to defend from an aggressor?

Because frankly the assertion that there can be war with just ONE PARTY did NOT MAKE SENSE to ME which lead me to rephrase the statement in an effort to understand what was actually meant.

In fact it seems that you also struggled to understand the concept put forward by Crissa, by failing to explain the definition of the term war yourself:

war between groups/countries or personal fights are started by one side and the other side usually is trying to protect itself.

So seeing that we are actually arguing about a definition of war that DOES NOT EXIST, being a "war of one" feel free to apologize for your ad hominem attacks.

Otherwise try to limit your responses to questions addressed to you directly. Thanks.

 

[JBee]

It is all about who ultimately controls the cheque book.

And/Or

Its Religion

Politics is for the plebs to keep busy in the meantime.

Yep pretty much.

There are also resource wars, but they are often caused by individuals cheque books too.

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But more back on subject: what could we Aussies do to get some subsidies going for battery production in Australia? We've got all the resources, the mining, the transportation infrastructure, we really just missing the refining and manufacturing.

I wonder if it is actually possible to streamline the extraction and processing side, like they did with the 4680 production, so that it is possible to make a local smaller scale setup?

 

[charliemagpie]

Yep pretty much.

There are also resource wars, but they are often caused by individuals cheque books too.

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But more back on subject: what could we Aussies do to get some subsidies going for battery production in Australia? We've got all the resources, the mining, the transportation infrastructure, we really just missing the refining and manufacturing.

I wonder if it is actually possible to streamline the extraction and processing side, like they did with the 4680 production, so that it is possible to make a local smaller scale setup?

From the top of my head as Keating said.. we are heading towards being a banana republic.

Of course, it was different time and circumstances, but we are heading towards being a second-rate player. I'm wrong, we are already there.

Look at what Indonesia is doing.. they want production. We on the other hand, via lobby groups .. sell the farm.

Liberals want petrol...Labor still promotes hydrogen. Things still aren't right.

Its a Global cabal. We have been duped.

These are 20 years ago.. this is mine 'IMPOLITIC' if I may..

I dont get to show it off lol Maybe someone younger can take it on :

Blood sucking oil exec, controlled by a puppeteer :

Junk Food

NWO.. selling people down the drain

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Globalism Front / Back

Magnus - could be us

ominous lol

Transhumanism - a robotic curiosity with life.. ( the bird )

 

[JBee]

From the top of my head as Keating said.. we are heading towards being a banana republic.

Of course, it was different time and circumstances, but we are heading towards being a second-rate player. I'm wrong, we are already there.

Look at what Indonesia is doing.. they want production. We on the other hand, via lobby groups .. sell the farm.

Liberals want petrol...Labor still promotes hydrogen. Things still aren't right.

Its a Global cabal. We have been duped.

Maybe we need to look at doing things, like EM seems to talk about, without government subsidies? The question is how?

In saying that I wonder who made the decision to actually go after the battery production subsidies available in Giga Austin instead of Berlin?

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