Will FSD full self driving get priority on deliveries?

[TBONO]

If we didn’t select FSD at time of our order, do you think we’ll be able to add it when it comes time to configure our order?
I assume yes.

And if so at what cost? I assume current $15K+ and not at 2019 price?

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[Jhodgesatmb]

If we didn’t select FSD at time of our order, do you think we’ll be able to add it when it comes time to configure our order?
I assume yes.

And if so at what cost? I assume current $15K+ and not at 2019 price?

Correct, at the current price. The FSD price has gone up 5 times since 11/2029: 7K, 8K, 10K, 12K, 15K. You can change your order at any time but current prices apply and you may lose your place in line depending on the kind of change you make. They have never penalized for trim changes and of course no one actually had an ‘order’, per se, yet.

 

[Rutrow]

There is nothing in the "Cybertruck MotorVehicle Pre-Order Agreement Terms & Conditions" that contractual obligate Tesla to abide by the promise to deliver FSD at $7000. Will they do it? Probably, but the verbal offer Elon made at reveal can be wriggled out of, especially in any jurisdiction that prohibits Tesla from calling their Level 2, 3, or 4 autonomy "Full Self Driving". If the value and price of FSD is such that they don't want to let 100s of 1000s of people nail it down for only $7000, they could.

I think it would be folly and a PR disaster, but we've seen that Tesla isn't above that.

 

[HaulingAss]

I think the best way to manage FSD at its current state of development, rather than scanning for situations you think FSD can't handle, simply brake, accelerate or steer whenever the car is not on a path you would take. Steering or braking will immediately turn off FSD while accelerating will leave it active.

I've found very few situations that I have to take over (but I never hesitate to do so as soon as anything seems amiss). I don't really understand people who claim FSD "almost killed them" because it's so easy to take over manually.

As such, paying $15k for this is excessive. I personally value it at about 10% of that price in its current state.

It's not uncommon for people to say FSD is not worth $15K in it's current form. And that's true, even Musk has said that publicly.

What people are missing is it's a speculative investment. It's a pre-order on a product that may or may not ever match your expectations. But, if it does, you got it for a whole lot less than it will be when it's complete. Obviously, not everyone will think that's a good bet, it largely depends upon that individuals financial situation and how long they think it will take for the product to drive itself. And there is no way to know the latter, which is what makes it a speculative investment.

Those on a tight budget, or who have no interest in FSD, should probably not make that kind of investment. But plenty of us think a ticket to FSD, is eventually, a good bet because the price, when it's ready, will probably make it unobtanium to most.

 

[Cybr on]

I agree. I cannot wait for
My CT. Honestly, I hope I don’t have to wait

I think the best way to manage FSD at its current state of development, rather than scanning for situations you think FSD can't handle, simply brake, accelerate or steer whenever the car is not on a path you would take. Steering or braking will immediately turn off FSD while accelerating will leave it active.

I've found very few situations that I have to take over (but I never hesitate to do so as soon as anything seems amiss). I don't really understand people who claim FSD "almost killed them" because it's so easy to take over manually.



It's not uncommon for people to say FSD is not worth $15K in it's current form. And that's true, even Musk has said that publicly.

What people are missing is it's a speculative investment. It's a pre-order on a product that may or may not ever match your expectations. But, if it does, you got it for a whole lot less than it will be when it's complete. Obviously, not everyone will think that's a good bet, it largely depends upon that individuals financial situation and how long they think it will take for the product to drive itself. And there is no way to know the latter, which is what makes it a speculative investment.

Those on a tight budget, or who have no interest in FSD, should probably not make that kind of investment. But plenty of us think a ticket to FSD, is eventually, a good bet because the price, when it's ready, will probably make it unobtanium to most.

FSD has been very good to me. Like you said, it’s about being attentive and engaging when needed. I love it and to be honest, I truly cannot live without it. To me, it’s a stress reliever. When I first drove a Tesla I was hooked. When I first used FSD on a test drive, I was hooked. I will never enjoy old school cruise again and nor will I ever drive an ICE vehicle again. With that said, if there is anyone here worried about it and to have a friend who has FSD, go bug him or her to keep taking you out to build your confidence ? .

 

[Crissa]

On our recent road trip to Denver I was using Tesla’s AP (cruise control), which is...

...Very important to not get mixed up. Teslas will back down to lower support levels of dumb cruise, traffic aware cruise, autopilot, enhanced autopilot, and FSD. Each one has a different display on the dash but it has wildly different capabilities, and none will override the drive if you step on the gas at the wrong time.

It's just important to know! ^-^ Don't want to expect it to follow lanes when you're only on traffic aware cruise, or stop for slowed traffic with dumb cruise.

-Crissa

 

[Crissa]

There is nothing in the "Cybertruck MotorVehicle Pre-Order Agreement Terms & Conditions" that contractual obligate Tesla to abide by the promise to deliver FSD at $7000.

This is untrue.

It's state law in the state they issued the promise in.

You cannot make a promise and back out of it. That would be fraud in any state, just happens to have criminal penalties in California.

-Crissa

 

[Bill906]

This is untrue.

It's state law in the state they issued the promise in.

You cannot make a promise and back out of it. That would be fraud in any state, just happens to have criminal penalties in California.

-Crissa

Welcome back Crissa. You were missed.

 

[HaulingAss]

This is untrue.

It's state law in the state they issued the promise in.

You cannot make a promise and back out of it. That would be fraud in any state, just happens to have criminal penalties in California.

-Crissa

Hi Crissa, welcome back!

I think you have a misunderstanding of what the terms are of the Pre-Order Agreement because Tesla specifically did not promise a specific price (it was clearly only an estimated price). Here are the relevant portions of the Agreement between Tesla and me:

Documentaon. Your Cybertruck Motor Vehicle Pre-Order Agreement (the “Agreement”) is made up of the following documents:

1. Vehicle Configuration: The Vehicle Configuration will be confirmed with you at a later date. It will describe the vehicle that you configure, including pricing (excluding taxes and official or government fees).

2. Final Price Sheet: The Final Price Sheet will be provided to you as your delivery date nears. It will include final pricing based on your Vehicle Configuration and will include taxes and official or governmental fees.

3. Terms & Conditions: These Terms & Conditions are effective as of the date you place your pre-order and make your Pre-Order Payment (the “Pre-Order Date”).

Agreement to Purchase.
You agree to pre-order the vehicle (the “Vehicle”) that you configured when you made your Pre-Order Payment and by taking delivery, completing the transaction when the Vehicle is ready for delivery from Tesla, Inc. or its affiliate (“we,” “us” or “our”), pursuant to the terms and conditions of this Agreement. Your Vehicle is priced and configured based on features and options available at the time of order and you can confirm availability with a Tesla representative. Options, features or hardware released after you place your order may not be included in or available for your Vehicle.

Pre-Order Price, Taxes and Official Fees.
The pre-order price of the Vehicle will be confirmed in your Vehicle Configuration and Final Price Sheet. As you may have only configured part of your Vehicle, any pre-order price provided to you in advance of the Final Price Sheet is only being offered to you as an estimate and is subject to change. Any pre-order price listed in the Vehicle Configura'on will not include taxes and official or government fees, which could amount to up to 10% or more of the Vehicle pre-order price. Because these taxes and fees are constantly changing and will depend on many factors, such as where you register the Vehicle, they will be calculated closer to the 'me of delivery and indicated on your Final Price Sheet.

(I put the really relevant portion in italics)

 

[Rutrow]

You cannot make a promise and back out of it. That would be fraud in any state, just happens to have criminal penalties in California.

-Crissa

Typical contract wording...

 

[charliemagpie]

If there was a legal issue, it would have been stopped already.

The take-up gets lower as the price point drops, my guess is most of the purchases we are talking about were by people who fit in the luxury bracket and their $7,000 is a 7 day holiday.

I don't envisage low price purchasers lured by the $7500, being interested in FSD. The take-up would be comparably minuscule in this group.

If you can't afford it don't buy it. Do we complain about a $25,000 watch ?

 

[Stuck4ger]

On our recent road trip to Denver I was using Tesla’s AP (cruise control), which is very nice, when at speed and on otherwise clear road we had a radical braking. It was so radical that my things in the car were thrown around. Had we been on slick pavement it would have been bad….

I find basic AP is much more susceptible to phantom breaking than FSD. I’d never use AP if I had access to FSD.

 

[Crissa]

Typical contract wording...

Irrelevant.

Hi Crissa, welcome back!

I think you have a misunderstanding of what the terms are of the Pre-Order Agreement because...

No, I do not. Because terms must comply with applicable laws, and in this case, the offer was made in California, and hence must follow Californian law.

The offer very specifically said you locked in FSD price.

So they must do this one thing.

Other options were not priced nor named, so they can be whatever price.

-Crissa

 

[BayouCityBob]

I wonder if the early deliveries are going to go for those who pay for the full self driving? It would be a bummer to get bumped down the list if you’re not on board with that option.

FWIW the history with Tesla on this during launches has been that they offer one or two trims at launch but beyond that they do not prioritize based on options. The highest trim is not always the launch trim. When model 3 came out only RWD was available, then Performance then AWD. It depends on production complexity.

The dominant assumption is that the tri-motor long-range will be the launch edition, but given the cell limitations we may see a mid-tier model launch instead just like we did with Model 3.

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