John from Cleanerwatt - "The initial pricing of the CyberTruck will be $90,000 - $120,000"

[BirdDog]

My 2016 f150 is dying quickly with problem after problem. So I’ve been shopping around a bit to see what’s out there all while trying to keep the ford running until I get my TRI/quad CT, the Chevy ZR2 Bison is $105000cdn and the Ford Raptor $90000cdn. These are the most expensive pickups.

At the prices mentioned the CT would be 130-$140000 trucks in Canada and that’s absurd. Prices should be close to original with some allowances for inflation and whatnot.

Anything over $75000usd ($100000cdn) and I will need to reevaluate.

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[CyberGus]

I’m flabbergasted that anyone is suggesting $110,000 for the Cybertruck. That’s more than the Plaid Model S.

At that price, I’ll take the Plaid, and just have all my plywood sheets delivered.

 

[SolarWizard]

I'd be out above $110,000.

I’ll pay up to 10% more than a model X plaid
For a quad motor with 500 mile range and all options.

if 3 motor is “it” then im willing to pay model X plaid price

if its a 300ish mile abomination no matter the motor count, I will still take advantage of all my orders but they won’t be in my possession for long. If that gets my MT LLC banned from ordering more, fine. I’ll return to buy one in my name when a 500 mile top spec version comes.

I bought 10 Lightning Pros for my business @ $47k and while we have yet to have any issue besides a stupid one off problem with a tailgate, if im going to spend more on a personal vehicle than ive ever spent, it better be the terminator. The be all end of all of truck tech and be able to tow > 200 miles and not be on zero.

 

[cvalue13]

I’m flabbergasted that anyone is suggesting $110,000 for the Cybertruck. That’s more than the Plaid Model S.

At that price, I’ll take the Plaid, and just have all my plywood sheets delivered.

it’s a great point, in terms of the Tesla-interior market segmentation

That said, I empathize with those that view the Tesla-exterior market segmentation compared to the promised capabilities of the CT to be so confusing that they can’t help but think of what other manufacturers would charge for it, or what some would pay for it

the Shelby Raptor is north of U.S. $120,000 MSRP and can’t be had at that price, and isn’t as fast as the CT is advertised to be

the TRX ignition edition is north of $120K MSRP and can’t be had at that price, and isn’t as Baja capable as the CT is advertised (believed?) to be

list goes on and on of trucks with lesser specs, at higher prices

then comes lots of good points made about why CT is going to be so cheap

all of it leaves me only confused, which is why you don’t see me really chiming in on any pricing threads - at least not taking any position

 

[CyberGus]

it’s a great point, in terms of the Tesla-interior market segmentation

That said, I empathize with those that view the Tesla-exterior market segmentation compared to the promised capabilities of the CT to be so confusing that they can’t help but think of what other manufacturers would charge for it, or what some would pay for it

the Shelby Raptor is north of U.S. $120,000 MSRP and can’t be had at that price, and isn’t as fast as the CT is advertised to be

the TRX ignition edition is north of $120K MSRP and can’t be had at that price, and isn’t as Baja capable as the CT is advertised (believed?) to be

list goes on and on of trucks with lesser specs, at higher prices

then comes lots of good points made about why CT is going to be so cheap

all of it leaves me only confused, which is why you don’t see me really chiming in on any pricing threads - at least not taking any position

I’m pretty sure Tesla will charge exactly what I’m going to pay.

 

[Crissa]

It's fake moose.

-Crissa

 

[SolarWizard]

Other than top speed,

If it wasn't for the charging network and the potential for FSD I'd consider a Rivian right now.

I owned an R1T, albeit briefly, and that is when I realized just how amazing 4 motors could be.
I was locked in at a super low price and just couldn’t turn down a 30% instantaneous profit. Plus I disliked the headlight (output not design) and found the bed to be too small for stuff im inevitably going to use a truck for sometimes

feeling a 3.5T truck take a corner otherwise reserved for sports cars or effortlessly hit triple digits on a highway on ramp is almost comical. Yeah its not quite the queasy power of an S plaid but its close enough and far more entertaining

had I ordered an R1S initially id probably still have it tbh

 

[SolarWizard]

Ford doesn't like losing money either, and judging by Ford's own numbers it's going to be quite a while before a palatably priced Lightning will be profitable.

Theres a lot of talk about this but ford is writing down the cost of a $7B new factory against EV sales

 

[Rutrow]

I think we need to listen to trans kids to try to understand their frame of mind, and be more Woke in our acceptance of....

Okay. Now that Elon has moved on to another thread I can tell y'all what I don't want him to hear.

I guess I'm one of those "Bottomless Pocket people" because I'm paying whatever it takes to get an EV that'll pull my Travel Trailer. I've been dreaming and saving for over 30 years to achieve my dream of travelling the continent in retirement. I unfortunately drove a Tesla in ~2015 and was convinced that EVs are the future, set out to buy one, and decided that I was done with ICE.

Here we are nearly a decade later, nearing retirement, and even the RV dream is consistent with an EV as tow vehicle, but just barely. To live my dream will require a very expensive truck, but it is doable. Fortunately for me I invested in TSLA in the early years, so even though I'm a lowly laborer, I have the wherewithal to pay over $100k if need be. I wish it weren't so expensive, but I'm not giving up on a 30 year dream over $30k-$40k, even $50k?!?

The thing I'm counting on, to keep this from being the biggest mistake of my life, is that resale value of a top-o-the-line CyberTruck will make Total Cost of Ownership over a few years, about as good as, if not better, than if I had bought a 3/4 ton ICE truck.

Wish me luck

 

[TBONO]

it’s a great point, in terms of the Tesla-interior market segmentation

That said, I empathize with those that view the Tesla-exterior market segmentation compared to the promised capabilities of the CT to be so confusing that they can’t help but think of what other manufacturers would charge for it, or what some would pay for it

the Shelby Raptor is north of U.S. $120,000 MSRP and can’t be had at that price, and isn’t as fast as the CT is advertised to be

the TRX ignition edition is north of $120K MSRP and can’t be had at that price, and isn’t as Baja capable as the CT is advertised (believed?) to be

list goes on and on of trucks with lesser specs, at higher prices

then comes lots of good points made about why CT is going to be so cheap

all of it leaves me only confused, which is why you don’t see me really chiming in on any pricing threads - at least not taking any position

From what I can see the closest competitors, who would be a ram TRX, which was used for benchmarking by Tesla in Fremont, and maybe the rivian truck, though it is smaller, we think. Comparing to a regular raptor or a regular TRX instead of their special edition trims, which might add 15+ K it’s probably a better comparison which still gets it in the six figures easily.

The cyber truck top spec should surpass both of these in the first performance metrics
Most importantly, pass it in range for the rivian
and flat out speed power for the ram

hard to say, on Baja type performance, but the size of the air suspension cylinders from what can be seen is encouraging

 

[cvalue13]

Comparing to a regular raptor or a regular TRX instead of their special edition trims, which might add 15+ K it’s probably a better comparison which still gets it in the six figures easily.

yes yes of course, from one market perspective, of Tesla for example

But I was trying to emphasize instead what’s going on in the minds of the onlooker, especially an onlooker who is the most optimistic and trusting of Tesla’s claims about the CT to date.

In their minds, the CT is not only above and beyond the capabilities and value proposition of the base Raptor/TRX, or those competitors’ special editions, but also a simultaneous combination of all things at once: eg a payload of an F250, speed beyond a Shelby Raptor, offroad beyond a TRX LE, interior room beyond an F150 SCREW, cargo area beyond any of those, with no maintenance, etc., etc.

Having built up that 800lb gorilla of a truck in their minds, i can see why/how some start to feel pessimistic about price - especially after Musk’s tone and content last week.

none of which is to say that I disagree with the vision of the 800lb gorilla (though I’m a bit more cautiously optimistic by nature), nor that I have any personal view on pricing (I’m left only confused and listening to others)

instead only to say that I’m empathetic to someone - like this content creator - who is simultaneously bullish on the CT specs and bearish on the resulting economics

 

[cvalue13]

I’m pretty sure Tesla will charge exactly what I’m going to pay.

 

[cvalue13]

feeling a 3.5T truck take a corner otherwise reserved for sports cars or effortlessly hit triple digits on a highway on ramp is almost comical. Yeah its not quite the queasy power of an S plaid but its close enough and far more entertaining

entertaining also in the Lightning because it’s shaped like a giant breadbox that few realize isn’t just a regular F150

in Texas we have these weird “highways” that are 65mph but riddled with stoplights every mile or so, without on-ramps.

yesterday I was about to pull onto one of these highways, stopped at a light to turn right on red to merge into the 65mph flow. Approaching me the intersection at speed in the far left lane was a coupe, that turned out to be a Cadillac CTS-V.

just as the CTS crossed the intersection in front of me at ~65mph, I turned my Lightning into the right lane and punched it.

“one Mississippi, two Mississippi” and I was passing the CTS-V

the two guys in the CTS looked like they’d just seen a glitch in the Matrix

 

[Rockvillerich]

Theres a lot of talk about this but ford is writing down the cost of a $7B new factory against EV sales

To be sure. Just not expecting legacy manufacturers already in debt to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars to be pricing Tesla's CT out of the market.

 

[Greshnab]

yes yes of course, from one market perspective, of Tesla for example

But I was trying to emphasize instead what’s going on in the minds of the onlooker, especially an onlooker who is the most optimistic and trusting of Tesla’s claims about the CT to date.

In their minds, the CT is not only above and beyond the capabilities and value proposition of the base Raptor/TRX, or those competitors’ special editions, but also a simultaneous combination of all things at once: eg a payload of an F250, speed beyond a Shelby Raptor, offroad beyond a TRX LE, interior room beyond an F150 SCREW, cargo area beyond any of those, with no maintenance, etc., etc.

Having built up that 800lb gorilla of a truck in their minds, i can see why/how some start to feel pessimistic about price - especially after Musk’s tone and content last week.

none of which is to say that I disagree with the vision of the 800lb gorilla (though I’m a bit more cautiously optimistic by nature), nor that I have any personal view on pricing (I’m left only confused and listening to others)

instead only to say that I’m empathetic to someone - like this content creator - who is simultaneously bullish on the CT specs and bearish on the resulting economics

the thing I don't get is how ANYONE can be disappointed at this time by anything other than
1> it being reduced in size by 10%
2> it needing a windshield wiper
3> it having side view mirrors.
These are the ONLY confirmed changes to the car. everything else from price to range to tire type is a guess by someone based on assumptions made from hints someone heard...

jnever be unhappy or disappointed by anything other than facts!

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