350 mile range Quad Motor rumored to be 1st trim launched

[Jhodgesatmb]

can you see two motors in the underbody crash test video?

Wasn’t that at least partly an April Fool’s joke? I would really wonder about that underbodyhot as compared to the first released trim. I am not saying this guess is wrong, only that I wouldn’t put all my eggs in that video basket, so to speak.

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[Jhodgesatmb]

i highly doubt tesla would launch a sub-par product. i mean, it is possible.. but 350 miles on a pickup would be a joke. They might have two variants, SR and LR . 350 might be the SR. And still pretty sure they will save quad for later, they don't need it to beat competition and they've developed a tri motor power train for the semi that would fit here quite well. I guess we will see soon, but i hope they have a higher range option available.. towing in colorado mountains could get interesting in the winter otherwise..

350 when Silverado just got a 50-mile bump from the EPA WOULD be a joke and even I will laugh at Elon/Tesla if they cannot beat the Silverado. I find it exceedingly hard to believe that GM/Chevy can come by more batteries than Tesla (which was able to manufacture over CT 1000 battery packs a week months ago. No, I just cannot buy this story.

 

[cvalue13]

Wasn’t that at least partly an April Fool’s joke? I would really wonder about that underbodyhot as compared to the first released trim. I am not saying this guess is wrong, only that I wouldn’t put all my eggs in that video basket, so to speak.

i wouldn't put all eggs in that basket, either

that said, for the purposes of doing a preliminary crash test (they did crash that vehicle), i also wouldn't think they would construct a beta that requires major mechanical differences?

so *if* there were only a single motor visible in those shots, it would preclude a 4 motor version (and leave possible a 3 or 2 motor version as more likely, and theoretically but unlikely a 1 motor FWD version).

@JBee 's response to this line of thought is compelling, though

 

[cvalue13]

350 when Silverado just got a 50-mile bump from the EPA WOULD be a joke and even I will laugh at Elon/Tesla if they cannot beat the Silverado. I find it exceedingly hard to believe that GM/Chevy can come by more batteries than Tesla (which was able to manufacture over CT 1000 battery packs a week months ago. No, I just cannot buy this story.

ive looked into the EPA processes for BEVs before, and admit that I've slept since then so my memory isn't as agile now as when I was seeped in it

that said, my takeaway is that manufacturers of BEVs provide the EPA the relevant data. that data is subject to various factors of adjustment. it leaves manufacturers, then, with some material leeway in what factors of adjustment they choose. as long as that variance is within the EPA's thresholds, it's taken as legit by the EPA.

and in doing that prior research, there were examples of how these differences between how manufacturers report their data / the factor of adjustment assumptions used by manufacturers, can materially change the data.

as a result, different manufacturers appear to have different philosophies about the direction in which they sandbag their data / resulting numbers. Tesla was shown as one that sandbags towards the optimistic, whereas for example Ford was shown as one that sandbags towards the conservative. As a result, real world stats from Tesla and Ford tend to reflect these two contrasting approaches.

no clue where GM/Chevy may fall on this spectrum.

 

[Cenakaze]

Well that comment did not age well at all ? but who would’ve saw that coming

Well looks like Ford heard me. The point still stands, 350 mi being uncompetitive is weird take without knowing the price & features.

If both 350mi CT and F150 XLT ER are 70k, which one would you buy?

The one (assuming) with all the things F150 has + 4WS, air suspension, tonneau cover, SS skin and bigger payload, or the one without all of those features?

What if CT doesn't have most of the promised features? Then the whole comparison would change again.

Therefore, saying CT is uncompetitive solely base on a single metric is a premature and irrational take.

 

[Daddystired]

Well looks like Ford heard me. The point still stands, 350 mi being uncompetitive is weird take without knowing the price & features.

If both 350mi CT and F150 XLT ER are 70k, which one would you buy?

The one (assuming) with all the things F150 has + 4WS, air suspension, tonneau cover, SS skin and bigger payload, or the one without all of those features?

What if CT doesn't have most of the promised features? Then the whole comparison would change again.

Therefore, saying CT is uncompetitive solely base on a single metric is a premature and irrational take.

Just saw Elon tweet. After ford lightning price drop said.. good truck. Still expensive. Especially with the high added intrest rate… I’m just taking a backseat and enjoying the ride until price unviel

 

[Prime8]

Just saw Elon tweet. After ford lightning price drop said.. good truck. Still expensive. Especially with the high added intrest rate… I’m just taking a backseat and enjoying the ride until price unviel

Encouraging! The F150 Lightning starts under $50k for AWD, sounds like EM is aiming to beat that!

 

[Cenakaze]

Encouraging! The F150 Lightning starts under $50k for AWD, sounds like EM is aiming to beat that!

It's 55k, unless you are a fleet buyer

 

[shaneaus]

Ditto.... I'll happily wait for the 500 mile version.

Same. I'll happily wait for the 500 Mike range version....

 

[CyberGus]

Tesla was fairly optimistic on Battery Day about the energy density of the 4680, and right now it looks like they've not hit their targets yet. If a fully-loaded structural pack cannot hit 500 miles of range, they of course they won't release a model claiming 500 miles until the 4680 ramp nets them the required energy density.

Don't worry! Unless you reserved in the first few minutes, Tesla's got at least another year to work out the range kinks

 

[Zapharus]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla...motor-AWD-model-releasing-first.734300.0.html

It makes logical sense as the Quad would be the flagship of the Cybertruck trims. The move would be similar to Rivian. They launched their Quad Motor first and followed up with a Dual Motor version at a later date.

If the rumor turns out to be true I predict Tesla targeted over 835 HP to one up the Quad Motor Rivian R1T.

If this prediction comes to fruition I expect the Quad Motor MSRP to be around 15% higher than the Tri Motor $69,990 reveal pricing announced in late 2019 (just under $80k).

15% of $69,990 is $10,498.50, which would put it at $80,488.50…..so not “just under $80k,” more like “just OVER $80k.”

/pedantry

 

[Zapharus]

Not having at least 400 miles Is a big miss considering they told us 3 motors would yield 500

Exactly this! Especially when it was touted as a be-all, do-all utility truck and towing is factored in.

 

[pjfw8]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla...motor-AWD-model-releasing-first.734300.0.html

It makes logical sense as the Quad would be the flagship of the Cybertruck trims. The move would be similar to Rivian. They launched their Quad Motor first and followed up with a Dual Motor version at a later date.

If the rumor turns out to be true I predict Tesla targeted over 835 HP to one up the Quad Motor Rivian R1T.

If this prediction comes to fruition I expect the Quad Motor MSRP to be around 15% higher than the Tri Motor $69,990 reveal pricing announced in late 2019 (just under $80k).

I mean it is irrelevant if it cannot do the basic job a pickup needs to do. It will still find an audience, but it is uncompetitive as a full-sized pickup truck because it cannot do truck things like towing and carrying loads more than 150-180 miles (implication of the "350 Tesla miles" range number). It is like selling a chainsaw for a "really good price" but that cannot cut down trees. It is fine for cutting 2x4s and such but cannot cut trees. But look at the great price. If it does not meet the need of the basic function for its category, price is irrelevant.

How a Tesla 350 CT would work in real world:
EPA 350 - Unloaded 70 mph range in nice weather with no big hills - 320.
Realistic minimum stopping at 10% means usable at 290
Realistic maximum charge in most situation at 90% means usable at 260.

If you toss in 800 lbs of load or throw on a small trailer or add some significant terrain or weather, you will be stopping every 170 - 180 miles.

and if it is 5 below zero Fahrenheit, you stay home! Less than 100 miles between charges if towing.

 

[Prime8]

It's 55k, unless you are a fleet buyer

Regular folks could buy the Pro but it's very limited in quantity. Only fleet buyers could get the Pro extended range.

 

[Haopec]

Weirdly confident take from someone who doesn't know the CT launch price or the fact that the cheapest F150 lightning with 300 mi battery is about 80k

I'll just add from my experience with multiple Teslas and a Rivian.
Rivian R1T estimate of 315 Miles in "Normal" mode equates to an actual 315 Miles (if not better) @ 65mph... Model X 250miles estimate equates to ~200 miles.
So if Tesla publishes 350 Mile CT, that would not be a mileage upgrade, but a loss in my opinion. Even a 400 mile Tesla would probably be "equivalent" to my R1T. Again, my experience.

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