350 mile range Quad Motor rumored to be 1st trim launched

[Baldey]

Not if they expect Cybertruck ramp to outpace 4680 ramp, which I think is likely.

Why! Why/how would that happen? Even if for some reason they wanted to, that is impossible. Cybertruck will NEVER use 2170 or 18650 cells, its simply not compatible: both pack AND cells need to be structural.

Why would they want CT to outpace cell production, when they know cell production is the limiting factor [its going to happen by default], and they already have uses for extra cells? Seems like something they want to avoid. They want the ramp to match cell production, or be slightly behind, and can easially make it so. I don't understand this ramp obsession... Ya'll blinded by it, can't see reason. Only explanation is dual motor is most popular, and you guys all ordered one and want your truck soon. More is not always better

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[RVAC]

Why! Why/how would that happen? Even if for some reason they wanted to, that is impossible. Cybertruck will NEVER use 2170 or 18650 cells, its simply not compatible: both pack AND cells need to be structural.

Why would they want CT to outpace cell production, when they know cell production is the limiting factor, and they already have uses for extra cells? I don't understand this ramp obsession... Only explanation is dual motor is most popular, and you guys all ordered one and want your truck soon. More is not always better

Cybertruck production ramp outpacing 4680 ramp means that cells are the limiting factor.

Because, to use Elon's words, factories are gigantic money furnaces when they're ramping. High fixed costs and little output, so the priority is to increase volume to spread those costs over the maximum number of units that can be manufactured.

 

[Baldey]

Cybertruck production ramp outpacing 4680 ramp means that cells are the limiting factor.

Because, to use Elon's words, factories are gigantic money furnaces when they're ramping. High fixed costs and little output, so the priority is to increase volume to spread those costs over the maximum number of units that can be manufactured.

Right, but they can control the CT output to match the limited cell production. That is why i belive tri motor trim first. Again, you simply can not have more CTs than you have cells.

 

[RVAC]

Right, but they can control the CT output to match the limited cell production. That is why i belive tri motor trim first. Again, you simply can not have more CTs than you have cells.

I never stated you can have more CT's than you have cells, I just explained in the post you quoted that CT ramp outpacing 4680 ramp means that cells are the limiting factor. CT output has to match limited cell production, hence dual motor instead of tri motor allows them to increase that output for any given amount of cells.

Obviously the above is only valid if the tri motor version has a bigger pack (i.e. greater range).

 

[Baldey]

I never stated you can have more CT's than you have cells, I just explained in the post you quoted that CT ramp outpacing 4680 ramp means that cells are the limiting factor. CT output has to match limited cell production, hence dual motor instead of tri motor allows them to increase that output for any given amount of cells.

Obviously the above is only valid if the tri motor version has a bigger pack (i.e. greater range).

I am sure they will have the capacity to make both. But also pretty sure they will make more profit from the higher trim, and will want to prioritize that, over simple delivery numbers. Its taken them four years to get this far, i do not think they are in a hurry.

 

[TyPope]

Correct and if it doesn’t have that range I’m not buying. It does me no good. I need to drive out with my trailer and be able to do stuff. A trailer means 250 miles at 500 starting point. At 350, I’m going nowhere and there’s no sale. I was told that the trim that I reserved would have 500+ miles and it damn well better or there is no deal.

It may very well be that the 500 mile version is delayed rather than replaced. The first couple may not have the range until the Cyber battery energy density increases. Going from 400 to 500 just requires a 25% improvement in drive train efficiency or battery density or a combination.

 

[Baldey]

It may very well be that the 500 mile version is delayed rather than replaced. The first couple may not have the range until the Cyber battery energy density increases. Going from 400 to 500 just requires a 25% improvement in drive train efficiency or battery density or a combination.

25% is a lot! They might be able to get there with silicon anodes and solid state electrolyte, but as you say that is far away. But they do not need this to achieve a 500 mi tri motor, they just need a bigger pack for that. Sure it won't handle as good, but people that buy this trim know that, and are looking for power over handling in a truck. A quad motor plaid trim WOULD require higher density. And so that IS delayed.

Most people don't buy trucks to do truck things. Most people also would never admit this with words. But they'll admit it with their wallets..

 

[TyPope]

25% is a lot! They might be able to get there with silicon anodes and solid state electrolyte, but as you say that is far away. But they do not need this to achieve a 500 mi tri motor, they just need a bigger pack for that. Sure it won't handle as good, but people that buy this trim know that, and are looking for power over handling in a truck. A quad motor plaid trim WOULD require higher density. And so that IS delayed.

Most people don't buy trucks to do truck things. Most people also would never admit this with words. But they'll admit it with their wallets..

um... I resemble that remark... However, I DO occasionally use my truck for lumber, bags of mulch, moving furniture, and, yes, hauling a trailer though mine is in the <7,500# range.

 

[Baldey]

um... I resemble that remark... However, I DO occasionally use my truck for lumber, bags of mulch, moving furniture, and, yes, hauling a trailer though mine is in the <7,500# range.

Nothing wrong with that! I've never had a truck. So i don't even know what truck things are exactly. But i forsee a mobile sauna, a plow, buncha furniture, woodworking equipment and materials, and maybe even a 5th wheel in my future...

 

[TyPope]

Nothing wrong with that! I've never had a truck. So i don't even know what truck things are exactly. But i forsee a mobile sauna, a plow, buncha furniture, woodworking equipment and materials, and maybe even a 5th wheel in my future...

a 5th wheel in a Cybertruck would be a challenge... Unless you have one of these:

 

[cvalue13]

Most people don't buy trucks to do truck things. Most people also would never admit this with words.

I've never had a truck. So i don't even know what truck things are exactly.

looks like we need an agreeable definition of "truck things" before we'll ever know if most people don't buy trucks to do truck things

here's a proposal: better to have a truck and not need it, than need a truck and not have it

the irony of all this "truck things" pecker-measuring is that we're all here talking about essentially a 1/2 ton pickup class

which is "truck things" kindergarten

 

[Baldey]

My definition of truck things, is simply stuff that anything but a truck could not do. So never having a truck, i have little concept of those things. I've avoided them so far. Not pecker measuring, simply stating facts.

But i disagree with that sentiment.. It is NOT better to have a truck and not need it, than need a truck and not have it. You live with a truck every day you drive it. That means sacrificing cost, efficiency, convenience, and even safety in some ways. If you don't need a truck for 360 days of the year, you could rent or borrow a truck for the other 5. Me, i haven't needed a truck my entire life.

But i am buying one now.. to do the truck things i've never done! Gunna die soon, wanna try stuff before then. Most people would agree with you, and thats why i say they don't buy trucks for truck things. they buy them to be a daily driver. I'll still have my M3 for that.

 

[cvalue13]

You live with a truck every day you drive it. That means sacrificing cost, efficiency, convenience, and even safety in some ways. If you don't need a truck for 360 days of the year, you could rent or borrow a truck for the other 5. Me, i haven't needed a truck my entire life.

i don't need a guest bedroom 360 days of the year

i don't need 0-60 in 2.9 seconds 360 days of the year

etc., etc.

no such thing as ethical consumption

in any event, i'm not critiquing aside from pointing out that the "truck stuff" critiques about a ~1/2 ton truck are not very self-aware... not really directed at you at all, as it's a widespread trope around here

 

[Baldey]

i don't need a guest bedroom 360 days of the year

i don't need 0-60 in 2.9 seconds 360 days of the year

etc., etc.

no such thing as ethical consumption

in any event, i'm not critiquing aside from pointing out that the "truck stuff" critiques about a ~1/2 ton truck are not very self-aware... not really directed at you at all, as it's a widespread trope around here

WAT! I need 0-60 at least two dozzen times a day: every time i make a stop or slow down! There is a right tool for every job, and trucks are not meant to be daily drivers. Doesn't stop everyone from using them like such though, becasue most people think "better to have a truck and not need it, than need a truck and not have it" ..sorry again, but this is more baboon logic.

I'd like a guest bedroom, but if i had one i'd rent that ish out. I'd like a house first tho.. But an 80k truck is cheaper! And will make me more money ?‍

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