Mobileye CEO Criticizes Tesla's AI FSD 12 While One Wall Street AI Analyst Praises FSD 12

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“ChatGPT moment” for Autonomous Driving?
We discuss the end-to-end approach for solving self-driving vehicle problems, asking if it is both sufficient and necessary.
By Prof. Shai Shalev-Shwartz and Prof. Amnon Shashua
https://www.mobileye.com/opinion/are-we-on-the-edge-of-a-chat-gpt-moment-for-autonomous-driving/

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Mobileye CEO Criticizes Tesla's AI FSD 12 While Wall Street's AI Analyst Praises Full Self Driving
What would prompt the CEO of Mobileye, a competitor in the self driving field, to write a blog post comparing self driving powered by end-to-end AI to LLM's adding that it would be overkill and maybe unsafe? Though it's nice to know some on the street at least appreciate the potential of the breakthroughs Tesla's AI team are making.
Sep 20, 2023
Teslary

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[samueldion1]

Untrue that version 12.0 is 100% artificial intelligence. Elon explained in the video clip that there is no software for most things, but he never said zero.

 

[scottf200]

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“ChatGPT moment” for Autonomous Driving?
We discuss the end-to-end approach for solving self-driving vehicle problems, asking if it is both sufficient and necessary.
By Prof. Shai Shalev-Shwartz and Prof. Amnon Shashua
https://www.mobileye.com/opinion/are-we-on-the-edge-of-a-chat-gpt-moment-for-autonomous-driving/

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Mobileye CEO Criticizes Tesla's AI FSD 12 While Wall Street's AI Analyst Praises Full Self Driving
What would prompt the CEO of Mobileye, a competitor in the self driving field, to write a blog post comparing self driving powered by end-to-end AI to LLM's adding that it would be overkill and maybe unsafe? Though it's nice to know some on the street at least appreciate the potential of the breakthroughs Tesla's AI team are making.
Sep 20, 2023
Teslary

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I love Mobileyes approach actually. I'm a long time FSDbeta user.
Mobileye is way more transparent and methodical.
Chart below goes from left to right with capability and hardware requirements).
* Eyes ON & Hands ON (Tesla)
* Eyes ON & Hands OFF (Ford Bluecruise, etc) -- based on my experience with FSD ... no way Tesla is here any time soon and with current hardware.
* Eyes OFF & Hands OFF (Mobileye Chauffer)

Elon said to avoid the California Stop that had to get rid of all those videos and retrain it on full stop videos just to meet regulations. Imagine what other kinds of 'trickery' they'll have to do.

As well V12 wants to make everyone drive the same no matter if you are in busy big city or small town rural. As well no matter what country ... imagine some crazy traffic and car types (tuk tuk and scooters) in cities in India and China.

NOTE side front camera locations are drivers mirror (ahead of human head) and Tesla's B-Pillar are behind the humans head. Think blocked viewed corner (ie. Chuck UPL), etc.

 

[jerhenderson]

Mobileye who ?

 

[Gurule92]

Mobileye who ?

Oh is that Jeff who's new wife?

 

[CyberGus]

This is all I can think of whenever someone says "Mobile Eye"

 

[kbolt]

I love Mobileyes approach actually. I'm a long time FSDbeta user.
Mobileye is way more transparent and methodical.
Chart below goes from left to right with capability and hardware requirements).
* Eyes ON & Hands ON (Tesla)
* Eyes ON & Hands OFF (Ford Bluecruise, etc) -- based on my experience with FSD ... no way Tesla is here any time soon and with current hardware.
* Eyes OFF & Hands OFF (Mobileye Chauffer)

Elon said to avoid the California Stop that had to get rid of all those videos and retrain it on full stop videos just to meet regulations. Imagine what other kinds of 'trickery' they'll have to do.

As well V12 wants to make everyone drive the same no matter if you are in busy big city or small town rural. As well no matter what country ... imagine some crazy traffic and car types (tuk tuk and scooters) in cities in India and China.

NOTE side front camera locations are drivers mirror (ahead of human head) and Tesla's B-Pillar are behind the humans head. Think blocked viewed corner (ie. Chuck UPL), etc.

You could invest in mobile eye and short Tesla if you feel so strongly about this

 

[CyberCowboy]

We have Mobileye on our Newmar King Aire (Class A RV)...It's functional, but I'm not impressed. Granted, we're talking about a 45 ft RV as opposed to a passenger vehicle, but I would love to see how FSD would handle that beast! (my money would be on FSD being a better solution). Remember, Tesla was partnered with Mobileye before coming up with their own solution...

 

[scottf200]

We have Mobileye on our Newmar King Aire (Class A RV)...It's functional, but I'm not impressed. Granted, we're talking about a 45 ft RV as opposed to a passenger vehicle, but I would love to see how FSD would handle that beast! (my money would be on FSD being a better solution). Remember, Tesla was partnered with Mobileye before coming up with their own solution...

That was a single forward camera first generation. Tesla pushed it beyond its intended usage and oversold it. The guy from FL was decapitated because of it.

They aren't even doing or talking about FSD or regular AutoPilot on the Tesla Semi. I follow several companies that are doing that.

 

[scottf200]

You could invest in mobile eye and short Tesla if you feel so strongly about this

Tesla calling it "Full Self Driving" and keep "selling" it as next quarter, end of year, robotaxi, etc keeps reeling people in. Truth be told it is a great Eyes ON and hands FULLY ON L2 system that people think is close enough to FSD to keep the people rebuying it for their next Tesla trade in giving Tesla pure profit. Of course, 3rd quarter sales boosting is finally getting Tesla to try a dealership trick and let you transfer FSD.

I invest in Tesla somewhat recently based on *everything* else they do. They do several things. Megapacks being a big one. The Tesla cult is very very strong so they'll continue sales. (ala belt buckles, lightning bottles, flame throwers, bottle cap openers ... selling out in record time ... haha)

 

[Crissa]

That was a single forward camera first generation. Tesla pushed it beyond its intended usage and oversold it. The guy from FL was decapitated because of it.

No, Tesla made their own implementation. All they had from Mobileye was some of the hardware.

Mobileye decided to go their own way and the CEO has been badmouthing Tesla (despite his company having troubles) ever since.

-Crissa

 

[PilotPete]

No, Tesla made their own implementation. All they had from Mobileye was some of the hardware.

Mobileye decided to go their own way and the CEO has been badmouthing Tesla (despite his company having troubles) ever since.

-Crissa

Not ”despite”, it’s “BECAUSE”…

 

[scottf200]

No, Tesla made their own implementation. All they had from Mobileye was some of the hardware.

Mobileye decided to go their own way and the CEO has been badmouthing Tesla (despite his company having troubles) ever since. -Crissa

It was more than hardware. I've had both. I've seen and used the evolution with OTAs of both.

For one example, I had a 2016 X with mobileye hardware and the software (SOC+) ability to read roadsigns as an example. Once I got a 2017 X with Tesla hardware it literally took a few years before tesla could read roadsigns.

Lot of footnote sources here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Autopilot#Hardware_1_and_Autopilot_(Mobileye)

Hardware 1 and Autopilot (Mobileye)[edit]​

In October 2014, Tesla offered customers the ability to pre-purchase Autopilot[13][19][20] that was not designed for self-driving.[21] Initial versions were built in partnership with Mobileye,[22] but Mobileye ended the partnership in July 2016 because Tesla "was pushing the envelope in terms of safety".[23][24]​

Tesla cars manufactured after September 2014 had the initial hardware (hardware version 1 or HW1) that supported Autopilot.[25] The first Autopilot software release came in October 2015 as part of Tesla software version 7.0.[26] Version 7.1 removed some features to discourage risky driving.[27]​

Version 8.0 processed radar signals to create a point cloud similar to lidar to help navigate in low visibility.[28][29] In November 2016, Autopilot 8.0 was updated to encourage drivers to grip the steering wheel.[30][31] By November 2016, Autopilot had operated for 300 million miles (500 million km).[32]​

 

[Crissa]

For one example, I had a 2016 X with mobileye hardware and the software (SOC+) ability to read roadsigns as an example.

Yeah. And Mobileye is single-handedly stopping everyone else from reading signs.

They're a patent troll. They have the patent on 'read text and process it in a car'. It's a stupid process patent that should have never been granted, as it was obvious technology and patented a decade after the first people were doing it.

Teslas still cannot read signs, no one but Mobileye can, they can only try to recognize signs.

-Crissa

 

[scottf200]

Teslas still cannot read signs, no one but Mobileye can, they can only try to recognize signs.

I've followed that problem for a long time because it sucked for me being without for a couple years. Do you have a source about how Tesla got around it.

I do not recall seeing one so I'm wondering what your source is?? Why would it take multiple years for tesla to solve that. Multiple years.

I worked in industries that had many patents. I have one myself. I understand when it seems good and when it seems bad.

Again to my point, tho, I think that Mobileye had 'software' that did a lot of heavy lifting for Tesla and they were feed simpler API results data in some cases.

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