Baja Cybertruck returns to US. Parked for viewing in Orange County!

[HaulingAss]

Off roading miles could be more energy intensive than highway, but sometimes it is just slower going… ?‍
Also, 500 miles does not mean there was not a recharge in there…
So, I will continue to wait and see what the production truck delivered to customers has. ??

What are you referring to, when you say, "Also, 500 miles does not mean there was not a recharge in there…"?

To your other point, my experience is that EV's tend to go and go and go and go off-road because you are going so slow. A big day on a superhighway might be 800-1000 miles, while a big day off-road might be 150-200 miles.

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[PilotPete]

I agree, most people drive aggressive at high speed and expect to have better range, wishful thinking. I can hypermiling and get more efficient when I need to on my 2013 Model S 60. I could do the same with the CT. Not complaining about EPA rating at all. Real-world driving does not count because everyone drive differently.

In my current ICE car, I can improve the mpg 20% (and beat the EPA estimate) without really working that hard at it. I'll be curious on what I can do playing with the CT...

 

[AZCYBER]

It never ceases to amaze me that folks expect EPA range while cannon balling at 85 mph.

 

[JBee]

Yeah, seems there’s miscommunication/misunderstanding here

This truck will not do 500mi on a charge

the guys who just drove it 1400mi would know that

I suspect the “owner” of the truck mentioned was instead a transport personnel, or a service center employee, who don’t know anything other than the 2019 release stats they are regurgitating as fact

It's obviously 500miles range ...when it's going for a ride on the back of a ICE tow truck!

 

[ldjessee]

What are you referring to, when you say, "Also, 500 miles does not mean there was not a recharge in there…"?

To your other point, my experience is that EV's tend to go and go and go and go off-road because you are going so slow. A big day on a superhighway might be 800-1000 miles, while a big day off-road might be 150-200 miles.

I did not think they said 500 miles between charges, right, just in one day (but I could be misremembering and then there is the source of said statement….)

Yes, some off road is just slow, but other times it is expending a lot of energy on a ‘surface’ that is not stable and/or provides little traction.
Thus, energy expenditure could be all over the place… that is what I meant by that.

 

[cvalue13]

In my current ICE car, I can improve the mpg 20% (and beat the EPA estimate) without really working that hard at it. I'll be curious on what I can do playing with the CT...

what this discussion among others is ignoring, is that Tesla is notorious and documented to achieve less than EPA range than other manufacturers.

so yes, anyone with a brain knows you may notget EPA range depending on how you drive. It’s a strawman for people to make that quip.

what anyone with a brain is saying, is that *for Tesla in particular* a 500 is not 500

I don’t take that to be fatal in any respect, but I do think it’s a reasoned observation.

or let’s put it differently and maybe more to the point: unless the CT is different from other Teslas to date

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  the LR Lightning has an EPA of 320mi, before real-world driving
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  if the CT comes out also with an EPA of 320, given the exact same real world driving
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  Then the Lightning will have materially better range

that’s *if* the CT’s state of EPA vs real world range hood true to historical

I make this comment to you @PilotPete because I know you’ll see the theoretical point in making, with the Lightning being only a convenient foil

others will see the word ‘Lightning’, see red, and proceed to rant about how Ford sucks and Musk is a golden god - despite it being irrelevant

 

[Sirfun]

For several reasons, off-road driving is more energy intensive (uses more fuel). One reason is there's an optimum speed to get the most MPG in all vehicles. Which is generally thought of as between 40-55mph. Off-roading/driving on rough dirt roads, an average speed is about 15mph. When a vehicle is on, even though it's not moving it's consuming fuel. In addition to that, wheel spin and lots of loss of traction also causes more fuel usage.

Here's an article on optimum speeds. https://www.makeuseof.com/what-is-most-fuel-efficient-speed-to-drive/

 

[PilotPete]

I make this comment to you @PilotPete because I know you’ll see the theoretical point in making, with the Lightning being only a convenient foil

others will see the word ‘Lightning’, see red, and proceed to rant about how Ford sucks and Musk is a golden god - despite it being irrelevant

Foil, Lightning, I see what you did there!

No, I get it. Some OEMs in the ICE world are better at hitting at or close to the EPA numbers, and some are notoriously off. Some are at or better than their 0-60 times, some require a strong tailwind and a slight downhill to make those numbers.

I can say my Tesla rental experience has shown that different cars of the same model (Ys and 3s) often have different “burn rates”. I’ve rented a YLR that went through 10% in the first XX miles leaving the airport. I turned around and took it back and got a different YLR, which used 5% to the same point on the freeway. Same weather, same driving style, same driver, same traffic, same route, +/- 5% in starting SOC. I’ve had that happen with a 3 and a Y both, more than once.

 

[TheLastStarfighter]

Don’t get too excited about the 500 mile battery range. I have owned a Model Y for 2.5 years. The battery range is consistently 15% below the EPA estimate.

500 minus 15% = 425 “real world”, not a controlled environment, of Cybertruck range.

Its' partly because you can drive beyond "E", like a lot of gas cars. Tesla puts in safety range, because some of us are idiots.

 

[TheLastStarfighter]

Tesla at reveal said 500 miles. I don't know why people think they aren't going to deliver. Past trauma? Fear of being hurt again? Hard to trust after that white van did not, in fact, have free candy??

 

[Mini2nut]

With a “real world” range of 425 miles the Cybertruck is viable to take off-road for an over landing trip.

The LED light bar is going to be a super popular accessory.

 

[cvalue13]

Its' partly because you can drive beyond "E", like a lot of gas cars. Tesla puts in safety range, because some of us are idiots.

so do other manufacturers

that’s always been a sort of BS post-hoc excuse (or at least it was for the one Tesla engineer that gave an interview a few years back, from where that idea came from )

 

[cvalue13]

That light bar is going to be a super popular accessory.

first good straightforward shot

from it you can see that the lights are directional, with the center diodes (?) straight forward, and outward in both direction the lights increasingly angling outwards to the sides

should be good light

 

[HaulingAss]

I did not think they said 500 miles between charges, right, just in one day (but I could be misremembering and then there is the source of said statement….)

Yes, some off road is just slow, but other times it is expending a lot of energy on a ‘surface’ that is not stable and/or provides little traction.
Thus, energy expenditure could be all over the place… that is what I meant by that.

I interpreted the 500-mile comment to be made by one of the delivery/service center employees, not the Baja test drivers, who was simply regurgitating the Cybertruck reveal specs. I could be wrong but I'm certainly not putting much meaning into it either way.

But I have no doubt that a Cybertruck with 500+ miles of EPA range could go 500 miles on one charge on the kind of easy, firm surfaces we saw in the video, if they drove in a flowing manner with no need to brake and kept it at about 40-45 mph the entire way and went from 100% SoC down to almost empty.

That said, I have no idea what size battery is in the test vehicles they took down Baja. I'm still going on my guess that the 500+ mile battery will not be introduced until late next year or early 2025.

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