How would you like to see the Franz hammer/ball test rectified?

[CyberSleuth]

Personally, I'll be disappointed if they don't successfully redo the sledgehammer and ball throw during the upcoming delivery event.

If anything, I think the only way to rectify the infamous window crack is to throw a BIGGER steel ball.
They could also include a video reel of various "durability tests" - 9mm shots, crash test, etc.

However, some of you seem convinced the Cybertruck will be less durable than originally claimed.

What would you like to see during the event that proves the CT's "really tough, not fake tough"?

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[cvalue13]

What would you like to see during the event that proves the CT's "really tough, not fake tough"?

problem for me is, the slogan itself is dumb and nonsensical

so you couldn’t really do anything to *prove*

case in point to me is talk of dents and scratches

on one hand, you have CT fans saying “see, it’s tough, it doesn’t dent or scratch”

to which many work truck owners would say, “it’s a truck, who gives a sh*t if it dents or scratches? - you saying the CT is a pretty-boy truck for pansies who use gel in their hair?”

to which CT fans say, “but it’s bulletproof!”

to which people who know firearms say, “nothing is bulletproof, and in this case the CT is claimed to stop normal load 9mm if shot at distance -that’s fine and all, but in the end times there’ll be AR-15s and large caliber hand guns“

To which the CT fan says, “but it has a big payload and towing stats”

to which people who really need such things say, “that’s why I buy 250/2500 trucks, or a 350/3500 dually, which makes the CT look like a payload sally and a towing tootsie”

if the back-and-forths above sounds stupid, that’s the point

It’s a stupid back-and-forth, on both sides

but if you listed to it *real* close, one theme emerges: crazy ICE truck people are going to be unconvinced by the “real tough” slogan - because they have an F350 dually dented and scratched to hell, and are proud of it

the people left most convinced about the “real tough” slogan trends to work best on people who are increasingly unfamiliar with trucks

anything deeply relevant the CT can do (eg payload and towing), there exist ICE trucks that do it better or way better

which is why Tesla needs to do it *cheaper* - that’ll be the differentiator

 

[Gurule92]

problem for me is, the slogan itself is dumb and nonsensical

so you couldn’t really do anything to *prove*

case in point to me is talk of dents and scratches

on one hand, you have CT fans saying “see, it’s tough, it doesn’t dent or scratch”

to which many work truck owners would say, “it’s a truck, who gives a sh*t if it dents or scratches? - you saying the CT is a pretty-boy truck for pansies who use gel in their hair?”

to which CT fans say, “but it’s bulletproof!”

to which people who know firearms say, “nothing is bulletproof, and in this case the CT is claimed to stop normal load 9mm if shot at distance -that’s fine and all, but in the end times there’ll be AR-15s and large caliber hand guns“

To which the CT fan says, “but it has a big payload and towing stats”

to which people who really need such things say, “that’s why I buy 250/2500 trucks, or a 350/3500 dually, which makes the CT look like a payload sally and a towing tootsie”

if the back-and-forths above sounds stupid, that’s the point

It’s a stupid back-and-forth, on both sides

but if you listed to it *real* close, one theme emerges: crazy ICE truck people are going to be unconvinced by the “real tough” slogan - because they have an F350 dually dented and scratched to hell, and are proud of it

the people left most convinced about the “real tough” slogan trends to work best on people who are increasingly unfamiliar with trucks

anything deeply relevant the CT can do (eg payload and towing), there exist ICE trucks that do it better or way better

which is why Tesla needs to do it *cheaper* - that’ll be the differentiator

There's always someone out there with a dad tougher than yours.

 

[cvalue13]

There's always someone out there with a dad tougher than yours.

?

one of many reasons traditional truck manufactures key their marketing to “best in class”

 

[Cyberman]

Personally, I'll be disappointed if they don't successfully redo the sledgehammer and ball throw during the upcoming delivery event.

If anything, I think the only way to rectify the infamous window crack is to throw a BIGGER steel ball.
They could also include a video reel of various "durability tests" - 9mm shots, crash test, etc.

However, some of you seem convinced the Cybertruck will be less durable than originally claimed.

What would you like to see during the event that proves the CT's "really tough, not fake tough"?

Honestly, there is a way to redemption for Franz et al.
Choice #1: Place the Cybertruck in front of an Abrams tank, and score a direct side hit in succession until the magazine is empty. Cybertruck should survive without so much as a smudge on the SS finish.
Choice #2: Place Cybertruck in shark-infested waters of the coast of South Africa, and nail it with a Tomahawk cruise missile from an American destroyer. After impact, Cybertruck is expected to submerse and drive along the bottom of the ocean, to drive up on the beach in the Canary Islands.
Clearly, NOTHING less will be acceptable. ?

 

[ÆCIII]

I'd like to see another tow 'tug of war', this time with the Lightning.

I'd also like to see the 'Franz Hammer' come out again, with demonstrations using balls of steel!

So many ways to answer this question! ​

- ÆCIII

 

[PilotPete]

to which CT fans say, “but it’s bulletproof!”

to which people who know firearms say, “nothing is bulletproof, and in this case the CT is claimed to stop normal load 9mm if shot at distance -that’s fine and all, but in the end times there’ll be AR-15s and large caliber hand guns“

You could say that the CT body has U.S. Level IIA protection. That qualifies it and large magnums and rifle rounds wouldn’t count.

 

[Gurule92]

"Glass is glass and glass breaks"

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Personally, I'll be disappointed if they don't successfully redo the sledgehammer and ball throw during the upcoming delivery event.

If anything, I think the only way to rectify the infamous window crack is to throw a BIGGER steel ball.
They could also include a video reel of various "durability tests" - 9mm shots, crash test, etc.

However, some of you seem convinced the Cybertruck will be less durable than originally claimed.

What would you like to see during the event that proves the CT's "really tough, not fake tough"?

They said several times that they would redo the same test and they probably should for that reason alone. Otherwise their big problem isn’t with opinions like @cvalue13 but with insurance claims. My Model Y windshield and moon roof were damaged by rocks thrown by maintenance vehicles on the highway - I really do expect my truck windows to handle things like that without chipping or cracking.

 

[CyberSleuth]

They said several times that they would redo the same test and they probably should for that reason alone. Otherwise their big problem isn’t with opinions like @cvalue13 but with insurance claims. My Model Y windshield and moon roof were damaged by rocks thrown by maintenance vehicles on the highway - I really do expect my truck windows to handle things like that without chipping or cracking.

I haven't heard this before. Do remember who or where it was posted they would redo the same test?

 

[charliemagpie]

Something is bound to happen to result in what may be deemed a 'scratch', and then I can see some people using that against the brand.

I suppose there have been slogans such as 'built tough', 'unbeatable' etc. maybe it's ok to say 'scratch proof'

 

[HaulingAss]

Personally, I'll be disappointed if they don't successfully redo the sledgehammer and ball throw during the upcoming delivery event.

If anything, I think the only way to rectify the infamous window crack is to throw a BIGGER steel ball.
They could also include a video reel of various "durability tests" - 9mm shots, crash test, etc.

However, some of you seem convinced the Cybertruck will be less durable than originally claimed.

What would you like to see during the event that proves the CT's "really tough, not fake tough"?

1) Line up a bunch of brand new ICE trucks on stage, including some 3/4 ton and the really masculine looking 1 ton trucks.

2) Give a ball bearing 1/4 the weight of the one Franz threw to a 5-year-old mischievious looking little girl and have her throw it at the competitors truck glass. Watch every window shatter on the first throw, Dodge, Chevy, GMC, Ford, Toyota, etc. Ask her if it's fun and let her break all the windows. Tell her how many thousands of dollars damage she just did, based upon replacement cost of all the broken windows.

3) Then tell her to try to break the Cybertruck glass. When it bounces off three or four times, give her a ball bearing that's twice as heavy. Watch her fail again and again as it bounces off. Tell her to throw it harder. When it doesn't break, chide her for not being able to break the glass in the Cybertruck, pointing out she broke all the other windows with a ball half as heavy.

Of course, they need to do more extensive testing, practice runs, to make sure it won't break this time.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

I haven't heard this before. Do remember who or where it was posted they would redo the same test?

I would have to review the last couple of meetings but it was probably investor day. Elon asked Franz if they should redo the bearing test (or maybe Franz asked Elon) but they agreed to do it at ‘a separate event’.

 

[firsttruck]

1) Line up a bunch of brand new ICE trucks on stage, including some 3/4 ton and the really masculine looking 1 ton trucks.

2) Give a ball bearing 1/4 the weight of the one Franz threw to a 5-year-old mischievious looking little girl and have her throw it at the competitors truck glass. Watch every window shatter on the first throw, Dodge, Chevy, GMC, Ford, Toyota, etc. Ask her if it's fun and let her break all the windows. Tell her how many thousands of dollars damage she just did, based upon replacement cost of all the broken windows.

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Sorry but I strongly disagree with having any children involved especially really young ones.

Lots of children all over the U.S. and the world will see the video where adults are encouraging they (children) and some will think it is OK to throw steel balls or rocks at glass. For sure the really young children will not understand the concept of testing that the video is portraying.

 

[HaulingAss]

Sorry but I strongly disagree with having any children involved especially really young ones.

Lots of children all over the U.S. and the world will see the video where adults are encouraging they (children) and some will think it is OK to throw steel balls or rocks at glass. For sure the really young children will not understand the concept of testing that the video is portraying.

Yeah, bands of roving children with bags full of ball bearings would just make toughened glass more desirable!

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