Cybertruck Breaks Down in Mojave + F-150 Raptor Size Comparison + ~350mile Range Prediction?

[cvalue13]

Lets try this out... IF the only range being offered is 350 miles but there are two varieties, maybe they break down like this?

2 motor standard = 350 mile range
3 motor standard = ??? (not available at this time)
3 motor performance = 350 mile range
4 motor plaid = ??? mile range (not available at this time)

Am I close?

2 motor standard = 3XX mile range
3 motor standard = 3XX
3 motor performance = <3XX
4 motor plaid = ??? mile range (not available at this time)

again, you're thinking of this in terms of motors first, product second

the produce is a Cybertruck. One can pay to have a 'performance' version (which incidentally has 3 motors to achieve that performance)

Just like there's a "Model S", and one can pay to have a 'performance' version (which incidentally has 3 motors to achieve that performance)

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[TheLastStarfighter]

@TheLastStarfighter is my source. he and I have a brilliant bit running, where *he's* my source, but to obscure that fact, he makes a bunch of demands for people to cite their sources

i'll admit, though, there's a gap in his performance in that I've never seen him banging the table at @greggertruck

I don't have anything against you personally. It's just obnoxious forum behavior to say "I know", or "those that know, know" type of stuff. You come across like the hyphenator trying to be the Cybertruck Insider.

If you know something but don't want to share how, just keep it to yourself rather than half sharing on here. Or if you do want to share, share clearly. That doesn't mean "Bill on the battery line told me they're only making 115kWh packs" so Bill gets fired. But a little more clarity helps the rest of us assess what you're saying and makes you look less like a dick.

You are acting confident of your info, and really there are a few scenarios here:

-You saw the truck yourself, presumably the Performance version, drove it or otherwise interacted with it, know the range as a result.
-Someone you know did something similar or perhaps has a RC Build(or access to one), and they told you.
-You spoke to an employee who has access to a truck or the build process.
-You spoke to someone in product planning who has true knowledge of build plans.
-You spoke to Elon or Franz.
-You spoke to someone who has been given the option of purchasing a day 1 truck and were able to select their options.

If it was one of the final three options, I would say you DO know the Nov 30 build options. If it was one of the first 3 you might, or you might not. The employee could be bullshitting, for example, or the RC builds might be all using the same pack but the retail sales trucks might use a larger pack for the tri. Either way it's just better etiquette to explain the info you're sharing (without naming a person) than to just pretend you're an international man of mystery.

With regard to gregger, I don't see him posting all the time that he has insider info. He did once, without being specific, and I did call him out too. He responded saying it's minor info and we'd all know if two days or something. He didn't get offended, and the info was pretty weak anyway, I think a Cybertruck appearance or something.

It's natural for people to want someone to justify authoritative statements. Despite mocking me for it, JBee just did it to me on the other thread.

 

[Regenshire]

Lets try this out... IF the only range being offered is 350 miles but there are two varieties, maybe they break down like this?

2 motor standard = 350 mile range
3 motor standard = ??? (not available at this time)
3 motor performance = 350 mile range
4 motor plaid = ??? mile range (not available at this time)

Am I close?

What would be the difference between a 3 motor standard and 3 motor performance? I am not sure there is a reason for 3 motors other then for it to be a performance model.

If I was to guess at a future product stack after they get through production and start expanding the offerings, I would assume something more like the below list. Please note the terms I am using are mostly based on their existing line up. Current LR is used for most vehicles with more then 300 miles of range that are not Performance:

Dual Motor AWD (Normal) - less miles (maybe available in the future)
Dual Motor AWD Long Range - 350* Miles
Tri Motor Performance - 350* Miles
Tri Motor Performance Plus - 500 Miles (maybe available in the future)

* 350 miles is speculation. Performance would be a few miles less then the LR version due to extra weight and possibly wheel differences.

 

[IJNYamato]

I’m quite confident that the same size battery will be offered for both through 2024

Cough cough ^^^ ?

 

[Baldey]

again, you're thinking of this in terms of motors first, product second

the produce is a Cybertruck. One can pay to have a 'performance' version (which incidentally has 3 motors to achieve that performance)

Just like there's a "Model S", and one can pay to have a 'performance' version (which incidentally has 3 motors to achieve that performance)

There is a literal Zoo of different Model Ses. Different years, battery sizes, different numbers of motors.. It will be no different with the CT. One year we might have a standard dual motor variant and a performance tri. Another we might have A plaid quad, a "long range" tri, and a "standard" dual. Or maybe both use three motors, or both use two. It doesn't matter, bob's your uncle at that point..

And tesla's thinking in terms of motors also, or did you miss the dual motor sticker? Just because they've always done something one way, does not mean they will keep doing it. The CT is different in many ways, why not the nomenclature too?

"Because we've always done it this way" is the death sentence to any business. I guess you cant convince everyone, sometimes you just gotta wait for people to die first. Like the legacy auto industry.

 

[Baldey]

you're not following, at all

*I'm* the one telling *you* that the CT 'performance' referenced by musk *is* the tri motor variant being released on Nov. 30

the 'performance' CT is any one you see with white interior - knock your self out on google

Sorry, i think you are the one that's not following. I am aware that " that the CT 'performance' referenced by musk *is* the tri motor variant being released on Nov. 30 "

What i am saying is the performance model is not the plaid model.

 

[TyPope]

2 motor standard = 3XX mile range
3 motor standard = 3XX (not available at this time)
3 motor performance = <3XX
4 motor plaid = ??? mile range (not available at this time)

again, you're thinking of this in terms of motors first, product second

the produce is a Cybertruck. One can pay to have a 'performance' version (which incidentally has 3 motors to achieve that performance)

Just like there's a "Model S", and one can pay to have a 'performance' version (which incidentally has 3 motors to achieve that performance)

I know. I agree. The two that you marked out are the two that I think may come later. Incidentally, those are also the ones that I said would not be available at this time. I was trying to figure out what the eventual product line would look like and thus get a feel as to when my preferred version may come out.

 

[Baldey]

you can keep insulting all you like. it's just that come Nov 30, if you have any decency, going to make your feel bad about being unnecessarily regretful about that behavior

but to your incorrect (and personal) bluster:

• The Model S has a EPA range of 405mi, two motors, and a 100kWh pack.
• The Model S Plaid has a EPA range of 396mi, three motors, and a 100kWh pack.

since we're talking about range here, unclear how it's relevant when you say "if you add performance, you must also add capacity.. Take a basic physics class."

regardless, the CT will have one pack size, just like the S/Plaid. so not only with the CT 'performance' have more speed (and so likely, towing/payload capabilities), it will have slightly *lower* range than the base CT

I already regret my insults, and i already admitted being wrong on the MS/MSP pack size. But i dont think that makes me any less right: MS pack is over-kill and software limited. But i dont think with the cell restraint the CTs base battery would be overkill..

And i dont even understand why we keep comparing the MS (a sedan produced in California in low volume) to the CT (a high volume unique pickup produced in Texas) . Other than we are all grasping for straws here, and none of our sources have crystal balls.

 

[Baldey]

Lets try this out... IF the only range being offered is 350 miles but there are two varieties, maybe they break down like this?

2 motor standard = 350 mile range
3 motor standard = ??? (not available at this time)
3 motor performance = 350 mile range
4 motor plaid = ??? mile range (not available at this time)

Am I close?

Close: i dont think a tri motor standard makes sense, 350 miles would be the standard. IF the only range being offered is 350 that is what i think will happen. But that doesn't make any sence to me, why would Tesla offer 1 pack size and two variants? Not a lot of variation there, if you ask me! Here is what i think it might look like

Release:
2 motor standard = 320 mile range
3 motor performance LR = 420 (hope its 500) mile range

Then later:
3 motor performance SR = 350 (not available at this time)
4 motor plaid = 600 mile range (not available at this time)


I could see a world where on release we have:
2 motor standard = 350 mile range
3 motor performance SR = 350 mile range

But that's a boring world, one that i would not want to wake up for. I'd hit snooze, at least.. Not what EM is about!

 

[BayouCityBob]

Reading through this thread and I am confused! Does someone have a source inside Tesla who has shared range information or is this just one wag vs another wag?

 

[KScheidt]

Honestly, as patient as I (and many others) have been over the last four years I wouldn't fault Tesla for wanting to get something out the door (even if it differs from the reveal night specs). I just hope that whatever happens on 11/30, they give us (especially us announcement night reservation holders) a clear path for the foreseeable future to include any anticipated variants to come in the near term. Preferably the ability to configure for said variants to maintain our positions in line specific to the production of variants beyond those initially released. I'd feel more than a little betrayed if we are kept in the dark about a significantly longer range (400+) variant coming in 2025+/- and I end up settling for something with 300. Another 12-18 months is a splash in the bucket at this point.

 

[SSonnentag]

If there is one thing Tesla is not, it is forthcoming regarding the timeline of future products or variants of current products. I wouldn't hold my breath on any release day announcements about future versions, and if they do mention future variants, they won't nail down any sort of believable timeframe.

 

[SSonnentag]

For what it's worth, I also don't believe that anyone that has inside information on the Cybertruck would be allowed to freely post the information on a public forum without repercussions. So any comment coming across that way are highly suspect as intentional disinformation. Just my opinion.

 

[cvalue13]

I don't have anything against you personally. It's just obnoxious forum behavior to say "I know", or "those that know, know" type of stuff. You come across like the hyphenator trying to be the Cybertruck Insider.

On one hand, I do genuinely apologize for and dislike those sorts of vibes coming for me.

On the other hand, right back at you: if you genuinely disbelieve me, you could just as easy move on rather than pounding the table for a request that makes no sense, and attempting to publicly soil my creditability.




So, how about we both just move on to being our better selves.

For my part, I'll continue more subtle dog-whistles to the few I know who are paying attention and doing their own critical reading.

For your part, just go on quietly disbelieving.



PS: the only time I uttered "those that know, know" was in response to someone implying that no one on planet Earth knows (not even Musk), therefore no one here could know. I wasn't speaking of myself, I was speaking to the silly assertion (by someone else) that it would be impossible for anyone to know anything.

 

[cvalue13]

If there is one thing Tesla is not, it is forthcoming regarding the timeline of future products or variants of current products. I wouldn't hold my breath on any release day announcements about future versions, and if they do mention future variants, they won't nail down any sort of believable timeframe.

you *do* realize the irony of this, given the 2019 unveil ...

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