2024 Cybertruck Official Specs Leaked?! 😱 - Udated With Compare/Analysis

[Deleted member 20282]

My comment is in response to your calling the 11k rating “whompy”. Not saying people should tow 15K, but that at the rates 11K, it does a perfectly good job. Limit is the battery range

Reminder that someone’s subjective opinion is usually rooted in bias

Objectively tow ratings are derived from a standard spec SAE J2807 which covers the ability to handle emergency maneuvers and stop/start. The tow rating is based on the chassis ability to handle the load. Whether someone says they towed 15k is irrelevant. Objectively it is simply not safe. And you hit cargo way quick in the Rivian.

The objective math on the Rivian will overload the truck with a 6-7k lb trailer simply on cargo alone. The F150 has a much bigger envelope despite similar ratings.

Let’s not forget EVs are getting an artificial bump in GCWR to accommodate the curb weight change with the battery. Lightning being 8550# instead of its max tow 7,050# counter part. Without that exception these things wouldn’t be able to safely tow a potato.

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[Paradox]

Dang, I was .8” over in my prediction back in January and 1 1/2” over in width.

Even with shortening the length of the truck, it is still about 5” too long to comfortably fit in my garage, but I was expecting that as at 220” in length, my garage is on the short side. My current vehicle has to go outside anyways so no big deal, it’s a truck after all.

It’ll still be great to see all the final numbers once they are officially put out by Tesla.

 

[SolarWizard]

oh this is fun

 

[cvalue13]

It’ll still be great to see all the final numbers once officially put out by Tesla.

someone likely has these dimensions because, this close, the service/owners manual has been finalized for basic service stats - and likely out to service centers training up before launch

so I’d say these figures are either straight from such a manual, or instead entirely made up

but they’re consistent if not exactly what has been separately deduced, inferred, or leaked previously

In other words, with 99.9% confidence( these *are* the finals put out by Tesla

notice what *hasnt* been included/finalized (eg range)

EDIT TO CLARIFY: i'm not suggesting a full manual has been published/printed, but instead that surely technicians, marketing, etc., are surely starting to receive data on the basics in advance of a launch 3 weeks away. Techs need training, websites need updating, etc.

 

[Deleted member 20282]

well, conversely, my point is that one way in which I find the Rivian stats “whompy” is that recommended towing would move around based on the configurations and payload effects.

Rivian instead lists a single towing rating, then just seemingly ignores all its configuration payload effects.

see again the Lighting ER, with a low-end payload rating of ~1,900lbs, but matched to a 10K towing rating

and you’re right, the CT’s details once known may result in some equally whompy scenarios depending on configuration and dealer-installed options

but it’ll have a payload nearer 2,500lb for dual, and 2,250 for performance

and (because) 4WS for stability. And (because) a much longer wheelbase for stability.

so there’s less room for whomp?

for what it’s worth, the 4ws I suspect is a band aid for a low cut angle on the wheel. Watching the video makes me think it’s needed just to get to a 55 foot turn.

People forget wheelbase is only one part. Size is not as important as steering geometry. Case in point an F-450 can park where an F150 can’t despite being an extra 3 feet of wheelbase, it has a tighter turning radius, closer to a SUV like a Tahoe. Because of the cut angle.

 

[intimidator]

Good luck is on your side. Hope it holds up till then.?

Despite me placing a reservation November 2019, and because Tesla keeps hinting at a slow ramp, I don't expect to get my Cybertruck until Summer/Fall of 2025 (I assume about 50,000-70,000 will be built in 2024). So maybe another year and half driving the Lightning.

PS I feel for those that didn't place a reservation in 2019 for the CT. I think 2026 is when they will be offered a chance to order theirs. That is a long time from now.

 

[thedownwardmachine]

EDIT TO CLARIFY: TFL says this photo appears to have a label saying 2kW

but on further consideration, that’s no sensible. As would be “12kW”

What makes more sense is a label near the plug that says “120v” (and at bottom likely “120/220c”)

The most exciting part here for me is the ability to level 2 charge other vehicles. The last excuse for using gas (jerricans) getting chipped away.

 

[cvalue13]

for what it’s worth, the 4ws I suspect is a band aid for a low cut angle on the wheel. Watching the video makes me think it’s needed just to get to a 55 foot turn.

People forget wheelbase is only one part. Size is not as important as steering geometry. Case in point an F-450 can park where an F150 can’t despite being an extra 3 feet of wheelbase, it has a tighter turning radius, closer to a SUV like a Tahoe. Because of the cut angle.

I agree, all-around, that the utility of the 4WS is TBD

that said, I’ve personally watched - from 5’ away, multiple CTs make tight U-turns. I’ve then made those same U-turns in my Lightning - despite only ~2:5” in wheelbase difference . The CT’s are definitely tighter (by maybe 2’), and that’s assuming they were full lock (they didn’t need to be, unlike me).

Separately, depending on the software, 4WS can provide some significant stability control at speed when a trailer acts up. Entire companies are built around offering this functionality mod in ICE trucks that tow a lot.

all in all, I tend to think the 4WS, in terms of turning radius, manages to achieve ~Tacoma 6’ stats despite ~F150 SCREW wheelbase

Where 4WS, in terms of towing, may provide some material benefits at speed/stability - depending on what Tesla’s done

with you regarding the 4WS being to these degrees restorative rather than purely additive in functionality

 

[cvalue13]

he’s making a different point.

of course a Rivian can tow that.Lots of trucks can.

the safety/tow ratings don’t care

they care instead about eg “what can Rivian do when towing 9K lbs, downhill, in a 70mph cross wind, when an obstacle requires the Rivian to swerve or slam on the brakes”

put differently, tow ratings are about what a vehicle can do when everything goes wrong, not what can it do when everything goes right

and there are a lot of folks who tow regularly that, reasonable, thing tow ratings don’t go far enough to reflect their own definition of how “wrong” something could go and then still feel safe

 

[sstevens805]

I'm so geeked about the CT. As it stands now, my Y has been the best all around vehicle I've ever owned, just wished it was a truck and a little bigger inside. The CT seems like it's going to give me exactly what I wanted i.e. a little more interior space, more rugged, and the ability to tow on occasion. I have no complaints other than it took too long lol. I think the majority of folks will be in the same camp.

 

[CyberSleuth]

But how long is the ramp

 

[firsttruck]

You get a couple lemons when you make millions and millions in are number one

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[intimidator]

I agree in general. when I said 300 and 500, I should have said (around 300 or 500) I suspect the the initial range will be between 300 and 350. I don't see how they could release a truck with less range than a Model Y LR. The 500+ range version is going to have to be closer to 550 for people that tow to be seriously interested.

I guess we will find out.

In theory Tesla promised a version with 500 miles of range.
The presumption was the 4680 was going to give Tesla a much great efficiency/range than the 2170s. That has not happened - yet.

The longest range Tesla is the slick body Model S, with 2170s. That has 400 miles of range.

Using the 4680s in the boxier/bigger Cybertruck.....I am guessing 350-360 miles of range?

But, like you said, we have to wait and see. Actually, we have to wait and see what the EPA determines the theoretical range to be.

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