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[bwhntr78]

If the standard range is around 400 miles and they sell it for $60k, there's a huge market for that. 300-ish and 60k, I just don't see a 200k/yr market for that version.

We have to remember the market for new vehicles isn't huge and this thing is POLARIZING to say the least. If Tesla can't get a long range out within a year, I actually do think they're going to struggle selling this. Not the first year or two, but definitely after.

When the F150 comes out with the Tesla plug and if Ford can get close to the same price/range (BIG if, I know) I think that's better news for Ford. But IMO, Tesla is it's own market right now. No one can match them on EV production. I hate that I check this website daily, because as we get closer I get more disappointed with what leaks (only range related).

Agreed on the 200k for the 300-ish version. What I said was that there will be enough demand for the standard range to sell everything they can make during the ramp (maybe around a year). But to sell 200k a year, they will need a long range (500+) version to convert many ICE truck owners, and the price of that is also going to have to stay below 80k. I've been waiting patiently for the long range since I put my deposit down in 2019, and I'll continue to wait for the long range version.

Until someone can deliver a true long range BEV truck, I can't justify the move from ICE. And that is kind of killing me, because after owning my 3 for over 5 years now, and my wife's Y for about a year, I can't stand the thought of paying real money for another ICE vehicle. Hopefully my tundra holds on long enough to get there.....

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[bwhntr78]

*waves*

There's a market for short range EVs.

-Crissa

I'll give you that... there is A market for short range EVs. What I really meant was that I don't see a large enough market for a sub-300 mile TRUCK to make it worthwhile for tesla to offer it.

 

[ninja6r]

Agreed on the 200k for the 300-ish version. What I said was that there will be enough demand for the standard range to sell everything they can make during the ramp (maybe around a year). But to sell 200k a year, they will need a long range (500+) version to convert many ICE truck owners, and the price of that is also going to have to stay below 80k. I've been waiting patiently for the long range since I put my deposit down in 2019, and I'll continue to wait for the long range version.

Until someone can deliver a true long range BEV truck, I can't justify the move from ICE. And that is kind of killing me, because after owning my 3 for over 5 years now, and my wife's Y for about a year, I can't stand the thought of paying real money for another ICE vehicle. Hopefully my tundra holds on long enough to get there.....

That hilarious, because we've had our 3 for almost 5 years too and have a Tundra as well. I want to ditch it SOOOO bad, but can't until they release something close to 500 miles of range.

 

[bwhntr78]

That hilarious, because we've had our 3 for almost 5 years too and have a Tundra as well. I want to ditch it SOOOO bad, but can't until they release something close to 500 miles of range.

What parallel universe are you from? Also funny is that my screen name on forums used to be red02f4i (my first bike). Never had a ninja, but just about everything else over about 10 years of street riding and track days. Now I'm just old and boring......

 

[TheLastStarfighter]

*waves*

There's a market for short range EVs.

-Crissa

You and about 70% of the preorders.

 

[bwhntr78]

You and about 70% of the preorders.

70% of the pre-orders were not for the "short range", <300 mile single motor version. I'm pretty sure those only accounted for ~30% of pre-orders.

 

[KScheidt]

70% of the pre-orders were not for the "short range", <300 mile single motor version. I'm pretty sure those only accounted for ~30% of pre-orders.

70% includes the original "Single" and "Dual" trims as they were both ~300Mi or less. (Dual rated for 300+ and Single rated for 250+).

Note: "Short" is an opinion but I believe they were including ~300 in the discussion as "Short" relative to the originally proposed Tri/"Long" range version.

 

[cvalue13]

Until someone can deliver a true long range BEV truck, I can't justify the move from ICE. And that is kind of killing me, because after owning my 3 for over 5 years now, and my wife's Y for about a year, I can't stand the thought of paying real money for another ICE vehicle. Hopefully my tundra holds on long enough to get there.....

That hilarious, because we've had our 3 for almost 5 years too and have a Tundra as well. I want to ditch it SOOOO bad, but can't until they release something close to 500 miles of range.

I completely understand that there are people who have regular necessity for a vehicle that can do 400 miles at a go, and that may very well be each of you

but having been on the Lightning forum for quite a while, I also know there are quite a few folks who think that at first about a BEV truck, but turn out to have been wrong

to the extent it salvages your hopes for the cybertruck, two things:

first, unless your number is in the <70-90K order (and assuming Tesla holds the line that long), it may be that you take with a grain of salt what specs are offered on Nov 30 - if your number isn't pulled for another ~2 years, who knows what the CT offers by then (or if you didn't need to replace your tayotas earlier in any event)?​

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second, if you don't mind me asking, what are your main reasons for feeling a ~330mi BEV truck is insufficient?​

 

[bwhntr78]

I completely understand that there are people who have regular necessity for a vehicle that can do 400 miles at a go, and that may very well be each of you

but having been on the Lightning forum for quite a while, I also know there are quite a few folks who think that at first about a BEV truck, but turn out to have been wrong

to the extent it salvages your hopes for the cybertruck, two things:

first, unless your number is in the <70-90K order (and assuming Tesla holds the line that long), it may be that you take with a grain of salt what specs are offered on Nov 30 - if your number isn't pulled for another ~2 years, who knows what the CT offers by then (or if you didn't need to replace your tayotas earlier in any event)?​

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second, if you don't mind me asking, what are your main reasons for feeling a ~330mi BEV truck is insufficient?​

My main reason for the long range "need" is towing, and especially in cold weather. I tow either a boat, utv, or snowmobile trailer on a fairly regular basis and most of those trips are 150 or more miles. If I never towed, I could absolutely get by without a true long range version. But if that was the case, I could also probably get by with no truck at all.

 

[cvalue13]

My main reason for the long range "need" is towing, and especially in cold weather. I tow either a boat, utv, or snowmobile trailer on a fairly regular basis and most of those trips are 150 or more miles.

yeah, that pretty much puts you in the dead spot

that said, ~150 miles is totally do-able assuming you have charging at your destination (to make it back) or along the way

especially given the sort of towing you're describing (e.g., not a house-shaped box)

tire selection, increasing PSI, and being happy to cruise at 60mph, goes a *long* way - if you're amenable

most of the horror stories you hear about, eg with the Lightning, happen like this:

guy with horror story: "my Lightning is supposed to get 320mi, but when I tow I'm only getting 130mi!!"​

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forum: "what are you towing, and how are you towing it?"​

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guy with horror story: "it's a small RV shaped like a brick, I'm in AT tires, have never checked my PSA, and it's dangerous to tow below 85mph! Also, what's this thing called 'pre-conditioning'?​

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forum: "go slower, etc."​

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guy with horror story: "I can't go slower, I've got to get there in time to go to the grocery store"​

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forum: "ever consider going to the grocery store during a charging session?"​

 

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It seems like the dashboard is indeed large enough to sleep a human...

 

[PilotPete]

Well, two things here. First, the post I quoted didn’t mention towing at all. Second, it only mentioned being a range lower and using that great phrase “Truck Stuff”.

Interesting.
Wonder what the resolution is.

I have 3 min, 1 min, and 30 second databases on my laptop. I bet 1 min or 30 sec. Compared to the planes, the CT ain’t’ going to be THAT fast. So I bet there is plenty of processor time to draw at that level.

 

[newwave1331]

• someone coming from a mid-sized truck will get a noticeable upgrade in interior space, but especially cargo room, and about the same agility - at the cost of only a bit of larger exterior footprint
• someone instead coming from a standard full-sized truck, will get a noticeable upgrade in agility, AND an upgrade in cargo room (except for and excluding compared to the Lightning) - at the cost of only a noticeable reduction in interior room

Great way of putting it for those two potential buyer pools.

I believe there is even a stronger case for the full sized 5 seater SUV segment (I'm working on a sizing comparison table for this)

• The lockable, weather tight cargo capacity with 5 occupants will beat a Tahoe, Expedition or Sequoia and might even beat the extended wheelbase variants.
• Turning circle should be about 40ft, matching or smaller than those vehicles while having a much longer wheelbase.
• Ground clearance and general off-road/snow capability should be much better
• Towing and payload will be higher in cybertruck
• Interior space only slightly smaller than American SUVs and pretty close to a sequoia.
• SS skin and lower CG for increased safety.
• Rear seat screen for kids (hopefully with headphones)

Do you think it passes the 3 kid seat test?

 

[wanders]

I'd be happy with a rear window button which I don't see on the screen so unless it is on the driver door it doesn't exist.

Yeah I'm hoping at the very least the window rolls down. If it can't even do that, I think it's going to be disappointing.

 

[CHC]

70% includes the original "Single" and "Dual" trims as they were both ~300Mi or less. (Dual rated for 300+ and Single rated for 250+).

Note: "Short" is an opinion but I believe they were including ~300 in the discussion as "Short" relative to the originally proposed Tri/"Long" range version.

Straight up untrue

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