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burp.

ok bud.



maybe you've not consumed them well?



the irony here is ... enjoyable



you're confusing motor configuration with "trim".



belch.

ok bud.



burp.

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hey, you've consumed every electron of publicly available information.

if with that, you don't follow, I'm not in charge of your hand-holding
you're confusing motor configuration with "trim".
This one at least is understandable since Tesla has historically associated trims with motor configurations (and ranges). It was Elon that, at the unveiling, said that the Cybertruck would come in 3 trims, differing most notably by motor configuration and range. Tesla Performance models haven't historically had additional motors and are not trims per se. The Plaid Model S has a third motor but is that different than the Performance Model S? Is the Plaid Model S considered a trim? The Performance trims also have different suspension, brakes, etc., don't they? So a Cybertruck Performance would [normally] be expected to have different suspension, brakes, etc. Does it? To me calling the current Tri-Motor Cybertruck Performance a trim is just too confusing because it mixes what would normally be a trim differentiating feature (i.e., motor configuration) with the Performance feature set (suspension, brakes, etc.). So making this kind of mistake, if indeed it was a mistake, is understandable. I bet this guy isn't alone in that confusion.
 

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Where? Lol

Im wondering in that Colorado spotted CT might be in one of the Denver mall showrooms.

Debating if I want to go check lol. Like an hour drive
Call them and ask first.
 

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I am a second day reservation holder and initially ordered a two motor verstion then some time after changed to the three motor version and my reservation number did not change. IMO, all that counts is your reservation number, which when it comes up, you will be given a choice of probably two configurations (2 motor vs. 3 motor/ performance). If you wanted a one motor version (which was a minority from the spreadsheet), I am not sure what will happen, perhaps you will stay in the queue until it is produced.
By your reasoning, above, when the single-motor reservation number comes up that person will be offered a choice. This is how I have understood it to date, but I do not know if that my understanding is based on valid reasoning.
 


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SF and LA are definitely getting one of their own. Can't wait to see in person!
 

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If Tesla forced people to buy only the configuration they indicated interest in, then nobody gets any truck

The configurations being offered now are different than 2019.

Among the many reasons those “indications of interest” in 2019 were only indications of interest.
I am in agreement with the gist of what you are saying, namely that Tesla should (logically) offer everyone the opportunity to select a configuration when our reservation number comes up (didn't you at one time say that the reservation numbers will be ignored anyway)?
The configurations being offered now are different than 2019.
That sounds like nit picking to me. Of the 3 trims originally offered, it sounds like the motor configuration and range of the first Cybertrucks offered will align with the Dual-Motor trim. That some things will change is always the case, but I guess it all depends on what Tesla uses to define a "trim". When they presented the trim levels they used motor configuration, range, and towing capacity to differentiate them. Since I do not buy the "leaked" specifications I do not believe that towing range so this dual-motor Cybertruck could be the same as the one unveiled in 2019.
 

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Call them and ask first.
Can you reach the actual sales center? I haven't tried lol I just assumed it would be a corporate automated
 

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SF and LA are definitely getting one of their own. Can't wait to see in person!
I am going to swing by Colma and Burlingame today to see if either of them has one. If they don't we are driving down to San Jose to check it out.
 

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burp.

ok bud.



maybe you've not consumed them well?



the irony here is ... enjoyable



you're confusing motor configuration with "trim".



belch.

ok bud.



burp.

ok bud.



hey, you've consumed every electron of publicly available information.

if with that, you don't follow, I'm not in charge of your hand-holding
As expected, no information regarding the source of your statement.

You stated as fact:

"These units are non-standard issue in their configuration. Hint of what’s to come, early on."

What information do you have that backs up your claim that these sightings are non-standard configurations?
 


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This one at least is understandable since Tesla has historically associated trims with motor configurations (and ranges). It was Elon that, at the unveiling, said that the Cybertruck would come in 3 trims, differing most notably by motor configuration and range. Tesla Performance models haven't historically had additional motors and are not trims per se. The Plaid Model S has a third motor but is that different than the Performance Model S? Is the Plaid Model S considered a trim? The Performance trims also have different suspension, brakes, etc., don't they? So a Cybertruck Performance would [normally] be expected to have different suspension, brakes, etc. Does it? To me calling the current Tri-Motor Cybertruck Performance a trim is just too confusing because it mixes what would normally be a trim differentiating feature (i.e., motor configuration) with the Performance feature set (suspension, brakes, etc.). So making this kind of mistake, if indeed it was a mistake, is understandable. I bet this guy isn't alone in that confusion.
As you say, in your own way, extrapolating from VIN designations the model (eg Model S vs CyberTruck) and the motor configuration (eg 2 vs 3) does not amount to a “trim” designation.

The standard Model S and Model S plaid VIN info shows it’s a Model S, and one has 2 vs 3 motors. The VIN for a standard and long range appear the same. Etc.

All that is consistent with the Cybertruck, and as much as is discernible from the VIN. No disagreement there, and regulatory-defined parameters.

Whereas a “trim” is a manufacturers’s ~marketing differentiation of a package with various features and configurations of any number of variables.



The VIN data tells us only that there will be some trim(s)/configuration(s) that include 2 motors, and some others that include a third motor.


It doesn’t tel us anything about what marketing buckets, or “trims”, they’ll be offered in.
 

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That sounds like nit picking to me. Of the 3 trims originally offered, it sounds like the motor configuration and range of the first Cybertrucks offered will align with the Dual-Motor trim. That some things will change is always the case, but I guess it all depends on what Tesla uses to define a "trim". When they presented the trim levels they used motor configuration, range, and towing capacity to differentiate them. Since I do not buy the "leaked" specifications I do not believe that towing range so this dual-motor Cybertruck could be the same as the one unveiled in 2019.
Carry this through all the way.

The point is merely that if a single metrics is different from in 2019, they haven’t offered you and you haven’t accepted, anything.

Tesla saying the following in their configurato would be ridiculous: “you indicated interest in a truck with two motors, 10K towing, 6 seats, a 6.5’ bed, a tailgate ramp, no 4WS, no waterfall Frunk, all at $[X], etc., so you now must only be offered and able to purchase this completely different truck because, hey, it still has 2 motors”

Since I do not buy the "leaked" specifications I do not believe that towing range
believe now, or in 10 days, makes no difference to me
 

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As you say, in your own way, extrapolating from VIN designations the model (eg Model S vs CyberTruck) and the motor configuration (eg 2 vs 3) does not amount to a “trim” designation.

The standard Model S and Model S plaid VIN info shows it’s a Model S, and one has 2 vs 3 motors. The VIN for a standard and long range appear the same. Etc.

All that is consistent with the Cybertruck, and as much as is discernible from the VIN. No disagreement there, and regulatory-defined parameters.

Whereas a “trim” is a manufacturers’s ~marketing differentiation of a package with various features and configurations of any number of variables.



The VIN data tells us only that there will be some trim(s)/configuration(s) that include 2 motors, and some others that include a third motor.


It doesn’t tel us anything about what marketing buckets, or “trims”, they’ll be offered in.
I get it. Words are not necessary, only VIN configurations. I can go by that. So we should only speak in what the VIN provides us. Even so, the VIN only provides the range of possible configurations, and we only know what the actual features are when we have a specific vehicle's VIN. Right?
 

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Carry this through all the way.

The point is merely that if a single metrics is different from in 2019, they haven’t offered you and you haven’t accepted, anything.

Tesla saying the following in their configurato would be ridiculous: “you indicated interest in a truck with two motors, 10K towing, 6 seats, a 6.5’ bed, a tailgate ramp, no 4WS, no waterfall Frunk, all at $[X], etc., so you now must only be offered and able to purchase this completely different truck because, hey, it still has 2 motors”



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