265 mi range at 90% shown in demo Cybertruck driven by Marques Brownlee MKBHD

[Mini2nut]

I call BS. Tesla is most likely sandbagging the CT range numbers.

Think about it. Do you really think that Elon would allow Tesla to hand over a Cybertruck to a popular influencer and NOT alter the true battery range through some software manipulation?

Tesla and Elon are competitive. The battery range and efficiency numbers will most likely beat the R1T and Lightning. Be prepared to be surprised tomorrow.

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[TheLastStarfighter]

I call BS. Tesla is most likely sandbagging the CT range numbers.

Think about it. Do you really think that Elon would allow Tesla to hand over a Cybertruck to a popular influencer and NOT alter the true battery range through some software manipulation?

Tesla and Elon are competitive. The battery range and efficiency numbers will most likely beat the R1T and Lightning. Be prepared to be surprised tomorrow.

Maybe if it was from some upstart but Tesla isn't known for trolling.

 

[Mini2nut]

I agree, but I will be shocked if the Cybertruck doesn’t offer a trim that does not beat Rivian’s R1T with 352 miles of battery range with 21” tires.

 

[cbrtrckrsrvd112219]

You are correct. I am assuming those who are unhappy with this range are all interested in the tri-motor version and are frustrated that the first Cybertruck released may not be a 500 mile tri-motor version they have dreamt of.

A dual motor with 300+ range is what was expected by those of us who reserved a dual motor.

300+ was announced 4 years ago. now they have models with over 300+ range. specifically M3 Highland rated at 344. Anything below 300 miles is laughable at this point.
I'm sure tomorrow there laugh at the event if they announce sub-300 miles range, not a good laugh, like at apple vision pro $3500 price laugh. I will laugh for sure, not in the good way .

I really not a fan of Elon saying "range is not issue" and telling stories about rest stop every 2 hours - that's BS. that is not acceptable for long trips, we went on 14 hour drive trip, we stopped only to get gas and restroom break, no 30 min for streatching every 2 hour.
with M3 I had days where I had to drive whole day around town without time to charge, made it home with 2% left.

 

[HaulingAss]

I am fine with this, I'm not sure why everyone else is freaking out like all CTs from now until forever are built for 300 miles... Please critically think.

Do you always have requests that are so unobtainable?

We live in a brave new world where critical thinking skills are no longer required for survival. Welcome to Idiocracy!

Don't worry, everything is fine, you, and everyone else, get a blue ribbon just for participating.

 

[SlightlySinged]

we went on 14 hour drive trip, we stopped only to get gas and restroom break,

Yeah... while more than 300 miles would be great, this just sounds absolutely miserable.

 

[HaulingAss]

My one issue with these "X" mile ev statements is that its all a lie. A 500 Mile EV is really a 300 mile EV. 99% of people are going to charge to 80% so that 500 goes to 400. Then you are going to try to charge at 20% but at HWY speeds your going to fall 15% under EPA. So that 300 mile range is going to include eating down to 5%. Now tow with it and you can drive 150 miles . If this was an LFP or a Solid State pack then 300 might be more realistic but todays 300 is more like 180 and 90 towing.

I don't know why you think 300 miles is "more like 180" miles. If you need more range than 20%-80% provides, you can start from 100% and drive to below zero (Tesla includes a buffer at the bottom of the pack SoC that doesn't show up on the 0-100% SoC number). The reason almost no one does that is because it's almost never necessary, we have a thing called "Superchargers". A very quick stop can add 100 miles before you can take a leak.

We have found the Model 3 EPA numbers to be quite generous, so generous that after 5+ years, both of our cars average consumption, since day 1, are well above the projected EPA efficiency numbers. And we are not hypermilers, we use the heaters and air conditioners liberally to maintain preferred temperatures and drive with or above traffic flow. We launch (floor it) whenever given the opportunity, especially in my Performance model. It's still fun to demonstrate to other motorists just how slow their cars are.

My 2018 Performance Model 3 is rated at 290 Wh/mile and my lifetime average is 279 Wh/mile and it's rated at 290 Wh/mile (lower is better).

My wifes 2018 LR is at 230 Wh/mile (lifetime average) after 93K miles and it's rated at 259 Wh/mile.

A 2018 Model 3 LR that I bought in January had 3 previous owners for the first 70K miles and is sitting at 249 Wh/mile after 73K miles (it's EPA rating is 259 Wh/mile).

All three of these cars, with different drivers and different use cases are all significantly under the estimated EPA consumption figures when all trips over their combined 200K+ miles are averaged.

What do they all have in common? They all run on OEM tires (when they don't have winter tires on) and all have the OEM Aero wheel covers on most of the time. We also never let the tire pressures fall below the recommended pressures (and they generally average 2 psi above the recommended pressures of 44 psi). This is where we have found the most even tire wear. At some point Tesla reduced the recommended pressure from 44 psi to 42 psi for our cars but this was done due to user complaints that the ride was "too firm", so we ignored it.

My Performance Model 3 beats the EPA estimated efficiency by the smallest percentage of the three, and that is because I drive it pretty hard as it's my only ski car for the last 5 years and has winter tires on all winter and driving up and back to the snowiest ski area in the world, generally from December to March. I also have been known to drive at highly illegal speeds for an hour or more periodically. That said, I'm generally driving with the flow of the traffic around me.

Note: Most of these miles were driven in Washington, Idaho, Montana and British Columbia with 90% of them in Washington. I don't know where the miles on the used LR Model 3 we purchased this January were done except that two of the owners lived in Northern California and one lived in Washington.

In my opinion, Tesla is threatening so many different people's livelihood, that it is a prime target for false narritives (like that other cars outperform their EPA efficiency figures while Tesla's underperform). As far as I can tell, after 5+ years of ownership of two Model 3's driven under all kinds of adverse conditions is that these narratives are either made up or due to poor tire selection and poor maintenance of tire pressures.

My wife and I are thrilled with the real-world ranges of all of our Tesla's, even when driven hard. I do think the Model 3, with its smaller frontal area and lower Cd, performs more closely to it's EPA rated ranges at freeway speeds, than the Models Y and X, due to the fact that the EPA efficiencies are based on relatively slow average speeds. That means that less aerodynamic cars will underperform more, relative to their EPA numbers, when driven faster than the EPA drive cycles.

 

[Bkb13]

I don't know why you think 300 miles is "more like 180" miles. If you need more range than 20%-80% provides, you can start from 100% and drive to below zero (Tesla includes a buffer at the bottom of the pack SoC that doesn't show up on the 0-100% SoC number).

I don’t think you’re going to charge to 100% every time you stop at a supercharger for a long distance trip.

 

[JBee]

Can't you charge it at home while you sleep instead?

 

[HaulingAss]

According to the numbers you provided, I'm estimating you average about 45 miles per day.

I recommend not getting an EV unless you install a charging station at home (or have EV charging in your employee parking lot). In your average week, given your 45 miles per day average travel, you should average zero trips to a Supercharger. You shouldn't have to use a Supercharger unless you go on a road trip that is further than your cars practical range. Starting every day with a "full tank" is one of the best perks of driving an EV. If you live in an apartment or condo that you don't think will let you install a charging station, then just drive a gas car until you live somewhere you can plug an EV in.

In 5+ years of driving exclusively two Tesla well over 100,000 miles, my wife and I have never had to wait to use a Supercharger. Most often, the stations have more empty stalls than stalls in use. When we do need a charge, it is typically only 10-15 minutes each stop. This is why we love the Model 3 so much, they are very efficient on the freeway and can really pile on the miles quickly at a Supercharger.

 

[HaulingAss]

I don’t think you’re going to charge to 100% every time you stop at a supercharger for a long distance trip.

Of course not. But what's your point? We typically charge to 100% in our carport before leaving on an all-day trip. If our destination is a hotel with EV charging, we might not have to stop at a Supercharger at all. We charge to 100% at hotels with destination charging too, I've never had to pay for it.

 

[Crimson_Fate]

Just to be clear, when I say I am getting 15% less then teslas stated EPA milreage I mean that my highway driving 75-85 in 90+ degree conditions is at lest 15% less then the stated Tesla EPA range.

Tesla is technically correct with their range under their "test conditions" but you know that people looking to buy any car are thinking that they have this range available to them under their normal driving and it just isn't true. In my Toyotas I always met or exceeded their stated mileage .

I admit that I was pretty nieve when I purchased my MYP and Simply put, I am not happy with the range on it. I will NEVER buy another 300 mile EV .

I even bought the tow package with the MYP and I used it once. I am still towing with my highlander just because I can make most trips without stopping and if I need to stop for fuel I am in and out without the need to disconnect.

I get that 300 is enough for you and for most people, just not for me . I just hope Tesla is clear tomorrow as to if they will be releasing a 500 mile version in the future so I can either continue to wait or move on.

My wife and I are thrilled with the real-world ranges of all of our Tesla's, even when driven hard. I do think the Model 3, with its smaller frontal area and lower Cd, performs more closely to it's EPA rated ranges at freeway speeds, than the Models Y and X, due to the fact that the EPA efficiencies are based on relatively slow average speeds. That means that less aerodynamic cars will underperform more, relative to their EPA numbers, when driven faster than the EPA drive cycles.

 

[cvalue13]

but todays 300 is more like 180 and 90 towing.

not my experience with my 320mi pack

but maybe this is Tesla-specific math

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