Range for AWD Cybertruck 200-250 miles after many real world tests

[Gigahorse]

If these early unscientific estimates of real world CT range are largely true the CT may only sell as many per year as the X and Y. Who in their right mind will spend 100K for a truck that is significantly range restricted? Only those that will use it as an in town status ride. Sure hope these early reports are red herrings.

The lack of transparency, poor communication, and scalpers pricing firmly answer the question is Tesla different than legacy auto.. I admire Elons many achievements but this rollout has been a world class %@#$show.

REALLY hope that these early numbers are due to drag racing and driving up a mountain pass, just concerning as the ONLY data coming in is 3000+ miles of driving from 3 CTs. The fact that there are no other real world range reports it is concerning.

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[dandor]

I think most of us were expecting 80% and prepared for 70% but these folks driving a few thousand miles across country in these AWD CTs are getting like 50% at 700-800 wh/mile and 178 miles of range.

We will know by mid January and you will see true estimates by people that know how to test range properly. Hopefully one of these people will be me. Still checking daily to see if my VIN pops up. It won't be 700-800 unless you are going 90 mph or doing 0 to 60 tests over and over.

 

[Gigahorse]

We will know by mid January and you will see true estimates by people that know how to test range properly. Hopefully one of these people will be me. Still checking daily to see if my VIN pops up. It won't be 700-800 unless you are going 90 mph or doing 0 to 60 tests over and over.

Yea by March there should be a good 10 of these in the hands of experienced range testers who will post videos and data, brave of you to be a beta tester with those numbers coming out.

 

[Mini2nut]

I will be curious at to what the 2025 RWD trim will get in “real world” driving.

It is supposedly rated for 250 miles. Will owners be searching for a Supercharging station every 125 miles?

 

[Nabilriaz69]

It is very simple
123kw battery
Assuming averages for 600 wh / mile highway (model x is about 470 wh/mile in highway in winter , I have driven 80000 miles)
driving 65 or 70 mph

123000/600
range = 205 miles
You leave say 10% before recharge
340x.1 = 34

net milage at a stretch: 205-34 = 170 miles , pretty close as title of this thread

 

[Bkb13]

Yea by March there should be a good 10 of these in the hands of experienced range testers who will post videos and data, brave of you to be a beta tester with those numbers coming out.

Your post history is very negative. I don’t think anything is going to make you happy.

Since you first joined the site, you have nothing but negative speculation to share…

 

[Gigahorse]

Your post history is very negative. I don’t think anything is going to make you happy.

Since you first joined the site, you have nothing but negative speculation to share…

I mean I have been waiting on this 500+ mile 40-80k truck for 4 years.
The last month has brought us:
Steer by wire - AWSOME
A bunch previously rumored things like bulletproof doors, rear wheel steering - COOL
But has also brought the price up 60% - BUMMER
Range from 500+ to 340 - OUCH
Now we are learning it may be 180 miles?!?!

REALLY wanted this truck to be a slam dunk, tempered expectations because well.....Tesla
Swallowed the price increase but range 500+ > 340 > 180 is pretty disappointing after holding a reservation for 4 years with the intent of buying.


So yea, after waiting 4 years and finding out the price is 60% higher and now the range is maybe 60% lower I am disappointed. Are you not?

 

[dandor]

Yea by March there should be a good 10 of these in the hands of experienced range testers who will post videos and data, brave of you to be a beta tester with those numbers coming out.

Nothing will surprise me. I have been driving EV's from 2016 and I know exactly what to expect.

One thing that wasn't discussed much here is something that you never took into consideration. I was one of the first Chevy Bolt owners and I obsessed over range. I had to get updates in software for the issue they had with the batteries. Each time, it took the BMS (Battery Management System) about 4 full discharge/charges before it gave accurate information on range and kWh use. All these videos are the first couple of drives and no data should be taken seriously until they have over 10 charge cycles of the battery. It takes time for the BMS to properly calibrate itself.

 

[Nabilriaz69]

Nothing will surprise me. I have been driving EV's from 2016 and I know exactly what to expect.

One thing that wasn't discussed much here is something that you never took into consideration. I was one of the first Chevy Bolt owners and I obsessed over range. I had to get updates in software for the issue they had with the batteries. Each time, it took the BMS (Battery Management System) about 4 full discharge/charges before it gave accurate information on range and kWh use. All these videos are the first couple of drives and no data should be taken seriously until they have over 10 charge cycles of the battery. It takes time for the BMS to properly calibrate itself.

Yes BMS is important to estimate energy left if reading exact cell voltage, but Tesla BMS very matured and improved.
It is mainly what is the average wh / mile in city driving and on highway.

 

[Gigahorse]

Yes BMS is important to estimate energy left if reading exact cell voltage, but Tesla BMS very matured and improved.
It is mainly what is the average wh / mile in city driving and on highway.

Yea I was under the impression that the Tesla BMS software was very dialed in and did not need much of a "calibration period"?

 

[cybguy]

I'm going to hold off on placing an order for the Foundation Series AWD. I think I'll dump a 1000 shares of TSLA when the market opens Jan 2nd in case these numbers prove to be semi-accurate.

 

[JBee]

It is very important to realise the difference between unrecoverable and recoverable losses.

There is no hill that takes more than an hour to "only" climb.

Altitude gain is only relevant to a range calculation IF you don't come back down, or you cannot make use of the energy potential of Altitude on the way down.

By the way Altitude and inertia potential is 100% efficient to store energy, unlike regen to charge the battery back up. For best range don't regen, rather coast as much as possible to use Altitude and inertia.

Simply that same hill gives you the energy potential back you expended going up it, if you drive normally and under the limit, with calm acceleration.

So although altitude gain is a high energy consumer, it is returned to the ev on the way down.

Often mountain passes consist of lots of ups and downs along the road up the hill. Each downhill section will return energy into the vehicle or at a minimum reduce consumption.

For example driving the CT AWD from Colorado City to Pike peak uses:

And up and down uses:

So if you only drive up Pikes Peak, you use 3.4kWh more than driving back down to Colorado Springs again, and you end up driving exactly twice the distance too! ?

Perpetual motion machine!!! (For those that think energy conservation doesn't work ? )

The point is that in many cases altitude gain is the same as charging up a "gravity battery" with your "EV battery".

The thing that reduces that are the "unrecoverable losses" like aerodynamics, with excessive speed or headwind on the way down, tail on the way up, or rolling resistance, rain on the way down and not on the way up (10%), or heat/air conditioning losses etc because Pikes Peak is cold.

But... driving at altitude means less air resistance due to the lower density of air too, which in turn reduces headwind sensitivity etc. And thermal losses shouldn't be that high overall, and could be overcome is Tesla decided to insulate their vehicles a bit.

So given the above, the question then becomes what is causing the high CT energy consumption if it is not the hills?

It could be something as simple as a misconfigured coulomb counter which means the consumption being shown on screen is inaccurate.

But I also suspect there are some other inefficiencies while the vehicle is bedded in from new, plus the fact that all those drivers aren't trying to get range, and are enjoying themselves to much in comparison.

 

[dandor]

Ok, I agree that the Cybertruck's real range is probably like 150 miles under perfect conditions. Towing you will get about 25 miles with a full battery. This statement has nothing to do that I hope people above me in the pecking order cancel and I get my Cybertruck quicker.

 

[Gigahorse]

So given the above, the question then becomes what is causing the high CT energy consumption if it is not the hills?

It could be something as simple as a misconfigured coulomb counter which means the consumption being shown on screen is inaccurate.

But I also suspect there are some other inefficiencies while the vehicle is bedded in from new, plus the fact that all those drivers aren't trying to get range, and are enjoying themselves to much in comparison.

I think they are driving a bit "fun" hitting the pedal hard to merge into traffic etc. But would assume that on a 1,000+ mile road trip that would get averaged out a bit. Especially as one of the drivers had two small kids in the truck for his trip.

Can't imagine all 3 trips were all up hill.

Hopefully it is a software issue that Tesla can fix, because it seems consistent among the delivered trucks that are actually giving out some info.

 

[jookyone]

Having driven over 500k miles across 6 Teslas mostly on road trips and supercharging, the only number I have grown to care about is the predicted percentage on arrival at the next charger. Under 10% is when I raise an eyebrow. The actual shown range in miles garners a smirk, but needs to be about 20% higher than anticipated distance for me to feel warm and fuzzy. For local driving, I've rarely driven more than 200 miles a day, so it doesn't really enter the mind.
There are a lot of factors that change over time, for instance I just put Michelin Cross Climate 2s on the X and it dropped range by about 8-10% but necessary here in CO.

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