Tesla CCS Adapter doesn't fit Cybertruck

[Woodrick]

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/grants-awarded-for-tesla-in-co.312441/

Coming soon to southwest Colorado, near you: Durango, Cortez, Pagosa Springs,....

There's the itsy bitsy next to the last line down there.

Great news, but as with anything EV, I don't believe it until it exists. And all of that will be up in the air as to it being CCS and or NACs, I believe.

But it is a GREAT example of "the infrastructure is coming" The chicken and egg thing is pretty much in the past. It also looks as if at least 4 of the Supercharger sites also have CCS!!!



Colorado is pretty well covered already.

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[electricAK]

I dare say that 50% of the Cybertrucks, like Pick-ups never feel dirt under their wheels.

If you must be able to go anywhere, the Cybertruck is definitely not the truck for you.

Yes, this is exactly my point. Except I'm looking at the flip side: 50% of cybertrucks need to be able to travel to those incredible places where Tesla hasn't set up infrastructure. They will need CCS when they get there.

It would be highly disappointing (for many) if the CT turns out to be limited only to areas where there are NACS chargers.
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Hopefully Tesla addresses this issue soon. I would like to think a 3rd party CCS adaptor might work for the cybertruck, but it sounds like currently, no.

 

[Woodrick]

Yes, this is exactly my point. Except I'm looking at the flip side: 50% of cybertrucks need to be able to travel to those incredible places where Tesla hasn't set up infrastructure. They will need CCS when they get there.

It would be highly disappointing (for many) if the CT turns out to be limited only to areas where there are NACS chargers.
...

Hopefully Tesla addresses this issue soon. I would like to think a 3rd party CCS adaptor might work for the cybertruck, but it sounds like currently, no.

While Alaska may have less than 10 times more CCS than Tesla, and that capacity is spread in the easter portion of the state...

CCS

That's not common for the mainland. There are areas where there is more CCS, but that's generally metropolitan areas.

CCS

Tesla

In many places Tesla has a lot more coverage than CCS.

CAVEAT: It appears that PlugShare may have hit some sort of limit when displaying this map. It shows a relatively empty Northeast and California, which FAR from real.

Okay, so you may not be able to get out into the wilderness with the vehicle this winter.

And if you can read between the lines, in a very few years, the problem is probably going to be that CCS only vehicles won't be able to get out in these areas as they all switch to NACS. Hopefully the'yll stay dial for awhile.

 

[Woodrick]

Yes, this is exactly my point. Except I'm looking at the flip side: 50% of cybertrucks need to be able to travel to those incredible places where Tesla hasn't set up infrastructure. They will need CCS when they get there.

It would be highly disappointing (for many) if the CT turns out to be limited only to areas where there are NACS chargers.
...

Hopefully Tesla addresses this issue soon. I would like to think a 3rd party CCS adaptor might work for the cybertruck, but it sounds like currently, no.

And I hate to tell you that it isn't going to take long for you to hate the CCS stations outside of the Anchorage area. It seems that there's not a single one over 50kW.
Sound like it's time to start upvoting the Supercharger poll.

Luckily, the Soltana and Chujiak Superchargers are both 250 kW. But indeed that won't really get you to Glenallen. I hear where you are coming from, I feel your pains. An EV in Alaska will invoke the same feelings that the early miners had.

But it will get better. You'll be an early explorer and able to tell the grandkids "Back when there were only two Superchargers....."

 

[fhteagle]

Before 5 years for sure. But what was your RN?

Yeah 5 years might be a bit pessimistic, but charging infrastructure gets added really slowly in 4 corners and Rez lands....

112754xxx . Got the FS invite. But won't be going FS for sure, keep finding more and more reasons not to go regular AWD either.

 

[fhteagle]

Coming soon to southwest Colorado, near you: Durango, Cortez, Pagosa Springs,....

Yeah I actually have that doc saved on my phone. Durango permit just got approved yesterday supposedly. Cortez and Kayenta, AZ after that are sorely needed.

 

[Tiberius]

Looking at plugshare there are a very short list of "out of the way places" that only have CCS.
So the concern here is that one of the tiny number of Cybertrucks wants to go somewhere that only has CCS and nothing else.
Hardly a huge concern unless you happen to be that guy. But if you don't already have a Cybertruck then its panicking over nothing.
In two years the only things using CCS will be the tiny number of EVs that aren't Tesla, so most of the CCS only chargers will have switched to NACS anyway.

Going to go out on a limb here and suggest that Tesla will not be putting any development into getting CCS working on Cybertruck.

 

[Outdoors]

Going to go out on a limb here and suggest that Tesla will not be putting any development into getting CCS working on Cybertruck.

First of all it does work. It is just a problem with the adapter and the fit with the wheel well. Thanks for your thoughts as it doesn't affect you. One can just get an adapter that will fit. Tesla placed the actual chargeport recessed a bit and the door assembly is the issue. Tesla made the door assembly an easy swap out in case of damage.

NW Montana is a huge place. Who here has to leave the country to get to a supercharger that is nearby? I don't have even J11772 or a wall plug on plug share for a 50+ mile radius.

I love it when people come into EV ownership newly and claim now that the world of EVing is easy everywhere because they look at some map and make some ass umptions.

Hope your limb breaks and lands on your Tesla.

 

[Tiberius]

First of all it does work. It is just a problem with the adapter and the fit with the wheel well. Thanks for your thoughts as it doesn't affect you. One can just get an adapter that will fit. Tesla placed the actual chargeport recessed a bit and the door assembly is the issue. Tesla made the door assembly an easy swap out in case of damage.

NW Montana is a huge place. Who here has to leave the country to get to a supercharger that is nearby? I don't have even J11772 or a wall plug on plug share for a 50+ mile radius.

I love it when people come into EV ownership newly and claim now that the world of EVing is easy everywhere because they look at some map and make some ass umptions.

Hope your limb breaks and lands on your Tesla.

Just talking about it from Tesla's perspective - The current CCS adapter has only recently become available and given the effort they put into getting all the US car and charger manufacturers to switch away from CCS->NACS they will be expecting almost zero CCS to exist before Cybertruck is widely available. So they probably aren't losing sleep over it.
As a thought, are there any NACS extension cables available? I saw some a year or so ago, but not sure if they were capable of fast charging. They weren't cheap either.
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I do feel your pain, driving an EV ten years ago was an adventure on almost every trip.

 

[Rutrow]

Kyle's concern with the CCS adapter problem was more than just the fit. He took the wheel trim off and still had problems with the handshake. [caveat!!! I am nearly absolutely ignorant about handshake protocols, so only passing on what other, smarter people are saying]

When SAE wrote the standards for NACS, it was done using the CCS handshake protocol, so some Tesla's (mine included) will not work, even if CCS chargers retrofit with the Tesla plug. There is a HARDWARE upgrade that pre 2020 Tesla's need to connect to non-Tesla chargers. I can charge at CHAdeMO chargers with an adapter, but not at CCS chargers even if I had an adapter. As I hear the concerns it sounds like all NACS chargers will have to use the old CCS protocols. My 2019 Model 3 may not work with V4 SuperChargers until I have a board installed in my car.

Is this the problem that Kyle had charging the CyberTruck? Is that why the CyberTruck's charging profile was so disappointing? Is there more to this problem than just redesigning the adapters and removing the wheel trim? ?

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[Outdoors]

Kyle's concern with the CCS adapter problem was more than just the fit. He took the wheel trim off and still had problems with the handshake. [caveat!!! I am nearly absolutely ignorant about handshake protocols, so only passing on what other, smarter people are saying]

When SAE wrote the standards for NACS, it was done using the CCS handshake protocol, so some Tesla's (mine included) will not work, even if CCS chargers retrofit with the Tesla plug. There is a HARDWARE upgrade that pre 2020 Tesla's need to connect to non-Tesla chargers. I can charge at CHAdeMO chargers with an adapter, but not at CCS chargers even if I had an adapter. As I hear the concerns it sounds like all NACS chargers will have to use the old CCS protocols. My 2019 Model 3 may not work with V4 SuperChargers until I have a board installed in my car.

Is this the problem that Kyle had charging the CyberTruck? Is that why the CyberTruck's charging profile was so disappointing? Is there more to this problem than just redesigning the adapters and removing the wheel trim? ?

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I could care less about the profile of the charge, but at least it charges. 50kw is better than 7kw. There are other adapters that work. If it works at all. That is all that matters. The board you mention is for the older cars.

Why make up controversy when none is needed.

 

[Crissa]

True. It’d be for a small population / situations where you would want to use it.

For the next decade, there's going to be old CCS equipment in remote locations which will be low priority to replace.

-Crissa

 

[Rutrow]

I could care less about the profile of the charge, but at least it charges. 50kw is better than 7kw. There are other adapters that work. If it works at all. That is all that matters. The board you mention is for the older cars.

Why make up controversy when none is needed.

Kyle COULDN'T get the CT to charge at the CCS charger. That's more than just controversy, that's trouble. [video cued to the pertinent comments]

 

[Crissa]

Kyle COULDN'T get the CT to charge at the CCS charger. That's more than just controversy, that's trouble. [video cued to the pertinent comments]

Not really.

The Cybertruck is an 800v nominal that needs to communicate differently than a 400v vehicle and the adapter wasn't designed for an 800v vehicle.

This seems pretty simple. The truck would have to know the adapter limited it to certain voltage and amps, and report that to the station. It doesn't even fit, so why would they have programmed that behavior?

-Crissa

 

[CyberMoose]

Kyle COULDN'T get the CT to charge at the CCS charger. That's more than just controversy, that's trouble. [video cued to the pertinent comments]

I don't really see something that isn't intended to work, not working, to be trouble.

The Cybertruck is still extremely limited in numbers, only delivered to notable people or Tesla employees, and it has to catch up to other Tesla models, which are some of the most technologically advanced vehicles you can get. There are a number of upcoming features that will be included, almost all of them just requiring an OTA software update.

This one specifically would require a new adapter as well that actually fits.

Also with more manufacturers looking at switching to NACS connectors, this will likely become less and less of something that anyone would see as an issue, at least in North America. I actually just pulled up a map because I didn't know if we had any and there are actually 2 in my town (about 60,000 people). But we also have a supercharger at the mall and surprisingly a lot of J1772 chargers that I never knew about.

I imagine that with more companies switching over to the NACS ports, they will be able to still sell their own home chargers but with the new NACS connectors, and we will likely see far more NACS chargers popping up with the growing number of demand. This would be a huge benefit to everyone, especially the large number of Tesla owners.

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