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Does anyone know why we haven't seen the EPA range yet? Does Tesla need to provide the EPA with their test data? And once it's on the EPA website, will it be obvious what the Hwy MPGe or Range is? Seems ironic that the range is a blended number, when the range matters most when doing long trips; where it's mostly hwy.
My thoughts exactly, only way that is seems possible to get 340 right now is if they start on top of a mountain and regen break the whole way down going 40MPH.
The lack of EPA range this far into it is concerning, especially as ALL of the real world use cases look like 200ish miles of range as opposed to 300ish.
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I'll tell you that I've driven my Model 3 in areas in which the majority of the Cybertruck owners will never go, just like many Pick-up truck owners have never left the road.
I'm with you on this! I've driven my Prius (Hey, don't Judge) to do a water drop for a section of the Arizona Trail. Redington Road, East of Tucson. Scary rut conditions. And knowing how to align the tires for avoiding high centering was crucial. I'd do it in a heartbeat in a CT!
 

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The problem is all the range reports are bad, Kyle and others have posted wh/mile numbers, trip reports, tests, etc.
No one is getting 300 miles in the real world, most are getting 200 or less if they are not driving around a parking lot.
The only serious test and the person got 254 miles. Most are not getting 200 miles or less unless they drive 75/80 mph. Your posts are getting more and more ridiculous. You just repeat the same information over and over and over.

Throw on some all-season tires and you will be closer to 275/280 miles. Drive in the summer and you might be able to get 300 miles driving 70 mph on the highway. So yes, you could get 300 miles with the Cybertruck.
 

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The only serious test and the person got 254 miles. Most are not getting 200 miles or less unless they drive 75/80 mph.
75/80mph is the speed limit in a decent amount of Truck Country though, why is this not a serious test? Do you not expect people to want to drive a truck at the speed limit for more than an hour or two??
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75/80mph is the speed limit in a decent amount of Truck Country though, why is this not a serious test? Do you not expect people to want to drive a truck at the speed limit for more than an hour or two??
If the 220 miles in the winter or 250 miles in the summer at 75/80, these even could be increased with more efficient tires, is not good enough for someone than they shouldn't buy it. Let them speak with their wallet.

We will be having 500 mile range trucks in 5/10 years when battery technology gets better. I know certain people are upset, but talking about this over and over won't change the reality. I don't know why this discussion is continuing. Yes, the Cybertruck has limitations with range and towing. If the limitations are too much for you, don't buy. They are fine with me and I am buying.
 


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My thoughts exactly, only way that is seems possible to get 340 right now is if they start on top of a mountain and regen break the whole way down going 40MPH.
The lack of EPA range this far into it is concerning, especially as ALL of the real world use cases look like 200ish miles of range as opposed to 300ish.
I think you misunderstood me. I want to know what's the EPA highway range for CT. Not the blended. We know it S.B. lower. But what is that number. I see pretty experienced Tesla owners that have opinions. But if we had the EPA Hwy value, it would make these comparisons more meaningful.
 
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I think you misunderstood me. I want to know what's the EPA highway range for CT. Not the blended. We know it S.B. lower. But what is that number. I see pretty experienced Tesla owners that have opinions. But if we had the EPA Hwy value, it would make these comparisons more meaningful.
Yea 100% ready to see the EPA Hwy value
 
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The only serious test and the person got 254 miles. Most are not getting 200 miles or less unless they drive 75/80 mph. Your posts are getting more and more ridiculous. You just repeat the same information over and over and over.

Throw on some all-season tires and you will be closer to 275/280 miles. Drive in the summer and you might be able to get 300 miles driving 70 mph on the highway. So yes, you could get 300 miles with the Cybertruck.
There are a bunch of data sets that are all similar, so if that counts as repeating the same info.....ok.
And yea....... most of the country is 70-80MPH so if your saying you need to do 55mph in 60 degree weather to get over 200 miles I don't think that is based in reality.

As scottyah pointed out, no one is driving 55 on the highway..... so saying that driving 70 is "crazy and will kill the range" is not rational.

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Almost ALL of these real world wh/mile results are showing a 200mile range vehicle, only real hope for 300+ is some MAJOR software oversight by tesla that is killing the range and charge rates, hopeful that both will be, or have already been fixed and we see significantly (like 30%+) better numbers in the next couple of days
 

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Almost ALL of these real world wh/mile results are showing a 200mile range vehicle, only real hope for 300+ is some MAJOR software oversight by tesla that is killing the range and charge rates, hopeful that both will be, or have already been fixed and we see significantly (like 30%+) better numbers in the next couple of days
There is no magic software fix. You drive 70 mph in cold weather you get 250 miles. Warm weather you get 275. Drive 75 mph, you get 225. The size of the battery capacity is given. Software can change charge rates, but the range is the range. There is no "fix" for range.
 

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Does anyone know why we haven't seen the EPA range yet? Does Tesla need to provide the EPA with their test data? And once it's on the EPA website, will it be obvious what the Hwy MPGe or Range is? Seems ironic that the range is a blended number, when the range matters most when doing long trips; where it's mostly hwy.
i continue to believe it's possible that Tesla is holding fire on various procedural advancements towards the Cybertruck being fully saleable in the U.S.

While I'm not extremely agile in the procedural details with the EPA submission/approval/release, I know at a high level that when a vehicle goes into technical "production" it triggers all kinds of financial reporting/accounting consequences for $TSLA.

I believe that Tesla not yet reporting/requesting the final EPA fuel economy ratings is an indices of this broader effort to not begin Cybertruck production.**

If something doesn't happen before Jan 26 earnings call to clarify this, I'll be looking for interesting signals in the deck/Q&A.



**which I know sounds confusing since they're "selling" Foundation units, but prior to technical production it is possible to sell, essentially, testing and marketing units. Which types of units dont require full Monroney compliance/final EPA ratings, because they technically aren't for sale to the general public.
 


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There are a bunch of data sets that are all similar, so if that counts as repeating the same info.....ok.
And yea....... most of the country is 70-80MPH so if your saying you need to do 55mph in 60 degree weather to get over 200 miles I don't think that is based in reality.

As scottyah pointed out, no one is driving 55 on the highway..... so saying that driving 70 is "crazy and will kill the range" is not rational.

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Almost ALL of these real world wh/mile results are showing a 200mile range vehicle, only real hope for 300+ is some MAJOR software oversight by tesla that is killing the range and charge rates, hopeful that both will be, or have already been fixed and we see significantly (like 30%+) better numbers in the next couple of days
What we are saying is that the EPA blended number and even the EPA Highway number isn't calculated at 75 mph

The Cybertruck was never intended to hit the numbers you keep quoting at highway speeds. Just like every EV out there. Highway is LESS than blended.
 

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75/80mph is the speed limit in a decent amount of Truck Country though, why is this not a serious test? Do you not expect people to want to drive a truck at the speed limit for more than an hour or two??
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75/80mph is the speed limit in a decent amount of Truck Country though, why is this not a serious test? Do you not expect people to want to drive a truck at the speed limit for more than an hour or two??
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I think it's odd that some people consider driving at the speed limit to be "bad driving" or "speeding." No, that's normal driving!
 

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i continue to believe it's possible that Tesla is holding fire on various procedural advancements towards the Cybertruck being fully saleable in the U.S.

While I'm not extremely agile in the procedural details with the EPA submission/approval/release, I know at a high level that when a vehicle goes into technical "production" it triggers all kinds of financial reporting/accounting consequences for $TSLA.

I believe that Tesla not yet reporting/requesting the final EPA fuel economy ratings is an indices of this broader effort to not begin Cybertruck production.**

If something doesn't happen before Jan 26 earnings call to clarify this, I'll be looking for interesting signals in the deck/Q&A.



**which I know sounds confusing since they're "selling" Foundation units, but prior to technical production it is possible to sell, essentially, testing and marketing units. Which types of units dont require full Monroney compliance/final EPA ratings, because they technically aren't for sale to the general public.
I wonder if they could they be waiting on the the change in battery chemistry that Joe Tegtmeyer was referencing in his tweet on Jan 3rd? An increase in battery storage of 5-10% would improve or meet EPA ranges. What if they went through the epa test and were dissatisfied enough to delay production. Now they are scrambling to fix things with some battery advancement. Just a theory…

 
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There is no magic software fix. You drive 70 mph in cold weather you get 250 miles. Warm weather you get 275. Drive 75 mph, you get 225. The size of the battery capacity is given. Software can change charge rates, but the range is the range. There is no "fix" for range.
That may be the case, hopefully not. Especially as your speed/range numbers above are pretty generous considering the reports coming in.
 
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What we are saying is that the EPA blended number and even the EPA Highway number isn't calculated at 75 mph

The Cybertruck was never intended to hit the numbers you keep quoting at highway speeds. Just like every EV out there. Highway is LESS than blended.
What we are saying is that the EPA BLENDED number is nowhere near the real world results that are coming in. There are CTs now with over 6,500 miles on them giving a good blended/average/standard use case that are getting about 200-230 miles of real world range. These people are not driving 90 MPH in the city. This is a large average that is miles away from the reported 340/320/318/312/310 etc.
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