Range for AWD Cybertruck 200-250 miles after many real world tests

[Gigahorse]

Via Joe Tegtmeyer
If that was the case that would go a LONG way to help.
That would get the AWD to 250-270 miles of real world range with conservative driving and all season tires.
Hopefully more news about this 4680 capacity increase comes out soon.
But feel bad for those getting this current version of the 4680 who look like they may have 200 mile range CTs that cost $120k

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[BlackCyber]

Its an efficiency issue and I am very concerned. I will always have at least 90lbs of tools /supplies. 30% of the time I will have a passenger. The annual temperature over the course of the year typically varies from 12°F to 68°F .
This is a problem

If you are an A to B driver that works behind a desk then buy a model 3 .

 

[Gigahorse]

The only serious test and the person got 254 miles. Most are not getting 200 miles or less unless they drive 75/80 mph. Your posts are getting more and more ridiculous. You just repeat the same information over and over and over.

Throw on some all-season tires and you will be closer to 275/280 miles. Drive in the summer and you might be able to get 300 miles driving 70 mph on the highway. So yes, you could get 300 miles with the Cybertruck.

I mean there have been about 30 tests now with publicized numbers, only one of those has gotten over 250, the rest have been in the high 100s or low 200s.
It is currently winter so yea it is going to be colder.

 

[RBosque]

As a pilot, I'll definitely agree, but if your running the pattern, isn't it like (once at destination level) about 5 minutes in the landing pattern, who knows the taxi and anywhere between minutes and never for the fuel truck or attendant and the taxi and a maybe 5 minute take off?

Probably the shortest run for a Supercharger that I know is descend on a circular ramp and cross the road. Another is descend on a circular ramp and do a U turn.
I think that the two Ocala Supercharges among the furthest, The north one, get off and head west 1-2 traffic lights to the Wawa. The south one, at the Mall and it's not that far, but a PITA.
And of course it is really hard to beat the ones at the Service Malls.

The concept of the low and fast is to stay on the best side of that battery curve. It makes a BIG difference.

Exactly. By the time you land, taxi to the fuel pump or wait for the fuel truck, pay the bill, etc, you've easily added a half hour to your trip. And, of course, the bathroom break, etc. Sometimes, though, if there's a good restaurant on the field, you just plan the stop to refuel, eat, bathroom break, etc.

I can see the parallel with EV recharging. The difference is that I can fly over 760 miles (in zero wind) before I need to land to refuel with an hour reserve of fuel. (The range could increase or decrease depending on the wind--and there's always some wind.)

 

[Woodrick]

What we are saying is that the EPA BLENDED number is nowhere near the real world results that are coming in. There are CTs now with over 6,500 miles on them giving a good blended/average/standard use case that are getting about 200-230 miles of real world range. These people are not driving 90 MPH in the city. This is a large average that is miles away from the reported 340/320/318/312/310 etc.

That's you are saying.

We are saying that the EPA numbers represent a very specific set of tests, created back in the Nixon years where the speed limit was dropped to 55 mph, that are mainly designed to allow you to compare model to model, manufacturer to manufacturer and year to year. It is the way that the feds can measure what the fleet of new cars is doing each year and enact legislations to impact those numbers.

It is MODELED after average driving habits. But everyone is different.

With a new Tesla, it is almost guaranteed that you aren't going to hit the numbers, even on average. That's because you are playing with the vehicle, you are showing it off, you do numerous 0-60 runs, all sorts of "non-average" things. That's why a Tesla's first set of tires often wear really fast.

The truck has also been introduced during a colder time of the year where there have been significant weather patterns across the country.

Every year, in the late fall, the Tesla forums wake up with the "my range is falling posts".

You have to take the EPA number for what it is and what it isn't. And we are actually still waiting for the full EPA numbers to be posted.

 

[RBosque]

If the 220 miles in the winter or 250 miles in the summer at 75/80, these even could be increased with more efficient tires, is not good enough for someone than they shouldn't buy it. Let them speak with their wallet.

We will be having 500 mile range trucks in 5/10 years when battery technology gets better. I know certain people are upset, but talking about this over and over won't change the reality. I don't know why this discussion is continuing. Yes, the Cybertruck has limitations with range and towing. If the limitations are too much for you, don't buy. They are fine with me and I am buying.

You are right. At the end of the day, the CT will fulfill the mission requirements of many people but it won't fulfill the mission requirements of others. This is unlike an ICE pickup truck, which can satisfy the mission requirements of a broader swath of owners--those who will drive shorter or longer distances, haul and tow longer distances or not.

For those who will mostly drive locally and rarely tow more than whatever the CT's range turns out to be while towing, the CT will fulfill the mission admirably. It's those who would use the CT to travel longer distances more frequently--especially while towing--who have legitimate questions and concerns about whether the CT will work for them.

I don't think people who are concerned about those issues are cutting down the CT. I, myself, have a reservation on a CT and want to make the truck work for me. But, I do fall into the category of people who sometimes travel longer distances in their trucks and sometimes do that while towing. In the past, I've towed an Airstream travel trailer through a large swath of our nation.

Currently, the items I tow include a 12 ft enclosed trailer for my motorcycle and band equipment (I play guitar in bands), a 7,000 lbs. boat, a Waverunner and an open utility trailer. Moreover, although I've replaced the Airstream with a Diesel-pusher motorhome, it's always possible that I could return to towing a travel trailer sometime in the future.

In my case, I already own a very capable RAM 2500 Diesel pickup which tows anything I'd plan to tow anywhere without any worries about range, power, etc. I have to consider whether the CT can replace it, whether I'd have to keep both trucks or whether I'd forego buying the CT and maybe get a model Y or X instead.

In summary, I don't think most of the people with questions about range at highway speeds, towing at highway speeds, etc, are putting down the CT. I think most want to be fully informed about those things before they decide to put down $$$$ on a vehicle.

 

[Woodrick]

Its an efficiency issue and I am very concerned. I will always have at least 90lbs of tools /supplies. 30% of the time I will have a passenger. The annual temperature over the course of the year typically varies from 12°F to 68°F .
This is a problem

If you are an A to B driver that works behind a desk then buy a model 3 .

You may want to go to some of the other Tesla forums and talk to the Canadians who have Teslas. They seem to have excellent luck with the vehicles and there are indeed a couple of things that you can do to keep your range acceptable.
There are a LOT of Teslas in Canada. That's one of the reasons why Tesla built the trans-Canadian Supercharger network.

 

[Woodrick]

Exactly. By the time you land, taxi to the fuel pump or wait for the fuel truck, pay the bill, etc, you've easily added a half hour to your trip. And, of course, the bathroom break, etc. Sometimes, though, if there's a good restaurant on the field, you just plan the stop to refuel, eat, bathroom break, etc.

I can see the parallel with EV recharging. The difference is that I can fly over 760 miles (in zero wind) before I need to land to refuel with an hour reserve of fuel. (The range could increase or decrease depending on the wind--and there's always some wind.)

So there were two things that you mentioned bathroom breaks and meals.
Those are the secrets to driving EVs on long trips.
When you are making the Supercharger stops, make them dual-purpose, just like the flying stops. The big difference is that you can parallel the activities a little better. Going to eat? Plan to charge a little more.

 

[dandor]

I mean there have been about 30 tests now with publicized numbers, only one of those has gotten over 250, the rest have been in the high 100s or low 200s.
It is currently winter so yea it is going to be colder.

I have put over 250,000 miles on EV's and you haven't put one mile on one. I have owned a Model S, Chevy Bolt, Model 3, and Model YP. I could easily get 250 miles plus on 70 mph driving with a Cybertruck and much higher during the summer. Driving an EV is different and you learn how to be more efficient. Heck, if I am driving by myself in 40 degree weather, I could probably get to 270 miles easily by using seat warmers and not climate control if I wanted to push it.

I have a Model Y P and it is listed at 300 plus miles, well now at 285 I think. I can get low 200's, even under, in that vehicle as well if I drive like a maniac, which is easy to do with its acceleration. When I take long road trips, I drive differently. Lots of new people with the Cybertruck are testing out its acceleration and probably not used to its regen braking. I don't even know if my regular brakes work in my MYP, because I never touch them.

Like it or not, we are still early adapters of a newer battery technology. I have learned how to efficiently drive EV's and I am absolutely fine with a Tesla posted 300 plus range vehicle. It will take twice the time to charge as my MYP because it is twice the battery size. Even then, you learn how to minimize charging time with planning out stops and charging when the battery hits 10% or lower. I often will only charge to 60% with a Supercharger and will make a few more stops with higher charge rates.

Thank you for your opinion on EV's without ever owning one and going by YouTube videos!

 

[dandor]

In summary, I don't think most of the people with questions about range at highway speeds, towing at highway speeds, etc, are putting down the CT. I think most want to be fully informed about those things before they decide to put down $$$$ on a vehicle.

For anyone wanting to know how the Cybertruck will perform, just watch reviews of the Ford Lightening or Rivian. Your charging experience with Tesla will be better, but the range and towing will be similar. There is no need to speculate on the range of the Cybertruck, when there are two very similar EV trucks out there that people having been using for a few years now.

 

[MyKidCouldDrawThat]

I have a Model Y P and it is listed at 300 plus miles, well now at 285 I think. I can get low 200's, even under, in that vehicle as well if I drive like a maniac, which is easy to do with its acceleration. When I take long road trips, I drive differently. Lots of new people with the Cybertruck are testing out its acceleration and probably not used to its regen braking. I don't even know if my regular brakes work in my MYP, because I never touch them.

Same with gas. Drivers who spend time focused on maxing mpg have experienced that same range of efficiency losses and develop a drive style to suit the goal.

With EV's its a little more present because drivers have less margin to waste by driving inefficiently

 

[Gigahorse]

I have put over 250,000 miles on EV's and you haven't put one mile on one. I have owned a Model S, Chevy Bolt, Model 3, and Model YP. I could easily get 250 miles plus on 70 mph driving with a Cybertruck and much higher during the summer. Driving an EV is different and you learn how to be more efficient. Heck, if I am driving by myself in 40 degree weather, I could probably get to 270 miles easily by using seat warmers and not climate control if I wanted to push it.

I have a Model Y P and it is listed at 300 plus miles, well now at 285 I think. I can get low 200's, even under, in that vehicle as well if I drive like a maniac, which is easy to do with its acceleration. When I take long road trips, I drive differently. Lots of new people with the Cybertruck are testing out its acceleration and probably not used to its regen braking. I don't even know if my regular brakes work in my MYP, because I never touch them.

Like it or not, we are still early adapters of a newer battery technology. I have learned how to efficiently drive EV's and I am absolutely fine with a Tesla posted 300 plus range vehicle. It will take twice the time to charge as my MYP because it is twice the battery size. Even then, you learn how to minimize charging time with planning out stops and charging when the battery hits 10% or lower. I often will only charge to 60% with a Supercharger and will make a few more stops with higher charge rates.

Thank you for your opinion on EV's without ever owning one and going by YouTube videos!

"you haven't put one mile on one" - not one mile, about 11,000 but that is irrelevant
"your opinion on EV's without ever owning one" - you haven't owned a CT so you have about as much experience with one as I do

Let me know when you get over 200 miles in one

 

[RBosque]

I have put over 250,000 miles on EV's and you haven't put one mile on one. I have owned a Model S, Chevy Bolt, Model 3, and Model YP. I could easily get 250 miles plus on 70 mph driving with a Cybertruck and much higher during the summer. Driving an EV is different and you learn how to be more efficient. Heck, if I am driving by myself in 40 degree weather, I could probably get to 270 miles easily by using seat warmers and not climate control if I wanted to push it.

I have a Model Y P and it is listed at 300 plus miles, well now at 285 I think. I can get low 200's, even under, in that vehicle as well if I drive like a maniac, which is easy to do with its acceleration. When I take long road trips, I drive differently. Lots of new people with the Cybertruck are testing out its acceleration and probably not used to its regen braking. I don't even know if my regular brakes work in my MYP, because I never touch them.

Like it or not, we are still early adapters of a newer battery technology. I have learned how to efficiently drive EV's and I am absolutely fine with a Tesla posted 300 plus range vehicle. It will take twice the time to charge as my MYP because it is twice the battery size. Even then, you learn how to minimize charging time with planning out stops and charging when the battery hits 10% or lower. I often will only charge to 60% with a Supercharger and will make a few more stops with higher charge rates.

Thank you for your opinion on EV's without ever owning one and going by YouTube videos!

Woodrick mentioned a driving style/charging procedure that he refers to as "fast/low" which he says may be the best way to travel longer distances in EVs. Basically, he suggests that the EV be driven fast (at least at normal highway speeds) until the battery level is really low, then recharge just enough to repeat the process until the next charger. From my understanding, he's saying that this would get you to your destination the fastest way possible. Have you tried this? What do you think about it?

 

[scottyah]

So there were two things that you mentioned bathroom breaks and meals.
Those are the secrets to driving EVs on long trips.
When you are making the Supercharger stops, make them dual-purpose, just like the flying stops. The big difference is that you can parallel the activities a little better. Going to eat? Plan to charge a little more.

I'm just worried about the reports of 2hrs driving needs 50min of charging (with current charging curve, and other stuff that may improve, to be sure). You either need to be morbidly obese, unaware of imodium, or have a UTI for that ratio to make sense.

 

[Gigahorse]

I'm just worried about the reports of 2hrs driving needs 50min of charging (with current charging curve, and other stuff that may improve, to be sure). You either need to be morbidly obese, unaware of imodium, or have a UTI for that ratio to make sense.

That is the big issue. Drive 2 hours and charge for 50-70mins in order to make it to the next supercharger.
Although careful pointing that out or people will scream at you through the internet how you can simply go 45MPH on the highway and not have that issue.

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