Range for AWD Cybertruck 200-250 miles after many real world tests

[Gigahorse]

I don't think those times are right, even with their 600Wh per mi estimates. It would mean they're averaging 90kW on the chargers.

Also, why are they arriving at 15 to 20... why is it saying -24 on the first stop? Maybe the display is wrong?

-Crissa

The charge curves on the CT are pretty bad currently, hoping that gets better with software updates.
They arrived with as much as 15etc is that they are out west and the superchargers are a ways apart.

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[Woodrick]

Hey man I want to believe as much as the next guy, but your strategy of literally ignoring all evidence (including posted livestreams) and waiting until you get the numbers you want is...kinda crazy.

I'm still very hopeful and even confident that the ranges will start to increase and charge rates will decrease as data is drawn from the fleet, but it's pretty ludicrous to ignore the only real data we have right now.

Kyle's drive, which I expect is the one that most people believe most. Isn't how to drive faster. He is very specifically repeating a test that he does with all vehicles range from 100% to 0%. And he even said that the low temperatures weren't desirable.
Kyle was not demonstrating the fastest way to travel.
Most of the others, well, were newbies or YouTubers looking for clicks.

To optimize EV travel you should start with throwing away years of ICE travel.

 

[Woodrick]

Not sure why you would say these statements just aren't true. There are now a number of charging videos showing that it takes roughly 50 minutes to charge from 15-90%, 45 minutes to charge from 15-85% and 40 minutes to charge from 15-80% online - these are real world charging sessions using preconditioning and V3 250kw chargers. These aren't the predictive navigation charging times - these are actual real world charging sessions. Given the larger 123kwh battery pack - and the fact that 4680 packs haven't shown the fastest charging times previously, none of this should come as a surprise. Sure, it will get better as Tesla receives more telemetry on the 4680 packs - but this is what most early adopter CT owners - unlike anyone here - are seeing.

I'll certainly tend to believe real world reported CT charging sessions over internet theory any day of the week. That's all we really have to go on and seeing with our own eyes real world owners showing their experiences - while admittedly anecdotal - the vast majority of which are actually from Tesla employee owned CTs mind you - is certainly worthwhile to discuss and report - regardless of whether it enthuses the strong fanboy base on this forum.

It's the travel 2 or so hours and then charge to stupid numbers that just ain't the way to do it.

OMG is the only thing that I could say when I saw the 15-90% charge. That's definition neophyte. They basically proved my points.

It's just not the way to drive an EV.


If you want to know why the Tesla Fanboys keep telling you what they do, then listen to what we say.
Driving 75 mph is going to kill your range.
Your range doesn't matter.
The country is literally covered (except for very few areas with no on in them) with Superchargers.
If you want to travel fast, there are ways to do so and significantly speed your trip up. (but use more energy)
But most people only travel maybe once a year anyway.

For the other 360 days a year that you plug in at home? You have a full tank every day and probably only use a few percent of it.

 

[Woodrick]

Twice the battery, twice the charging time.

Looking at the charging curves, it looks like the optimal charging is to be below 10% and charge to 60% max. That should be about 20/25 minutes. If the charging network supports this, like up and down the I5 or 99 in California, that is the most time efficient way to travel. Other parts of the US will struggle more.

I take my kids on long trips and we have a blast in our cars, even if we wait more. We always like to stop to get coffee or pick a stop that has something to do. Lots of great Tesla Supercharger locations. The kids have a great time with games and Caroake. Casa de Fruta Supercharger always ends up with the kids/wife not wanting to leave. If your key requirement is to get to point A to B as quick as possible, get a F150 ICE Truck. It is as simple as that. My long trips are enjoyable even with the extra time to charge. If you hate your family and want to get to your destination as quick as possible, don't get an EV.

+++ for your post @dandor

And I'll add, slow down, get off the Interstates, enjoy America. It make for a much better trip.

Driving the Interstate is pretty damn close to flying, you may get there faster, but you passed over some of the best stuff in this country.

 

[Woodrick]

I don't think those times are right, even with their 600Wh per mi estimates. It would mean they're averaging 90kW on the chargers.

Also, why are they arriving at 15 to 20... why is it saying -24 on the first stop? Maybe the display is wrong?

-Crissa

With the current software, the algorithms are messed up if there is a Supercharger needed. My wife just got in from a 200+ mile trip that she did she left half-full. She stopped to charge and route the remainder of the way to her destination. One result that she got was to stop at 4 Superchargers. But once the car got up to around 200 mi on the front page, it came back to its senses and said 0 stops were needed.
It would say sorts of weird stuff during our 2700mi trip last month.

It's the new algorithm to try to load balance Superchargers, it needs a little more work.

 

[Woodrick]

The charge curves on the CT are pretty bad currently, hoping that gets better with software updates.
They arrived with as much as 15etc is that they are out west and the superchargers are a ways apart.

Aren't you in Florida? How many times do you go out west each year?

 

[Woodrick]

I agree that the gen 2 packs show some promise, I just think people are going to be tired of waiting at this point. 4 years later and range #s are way lower and charge times are pretty horrendous, I think if the message is "yea should be better in 2025" a lot of people will throw their hands up.

The range numbers for the AWD are higher than the promised range at the introduction, even with the AT tires.

 

[cvalue13]

Until you or someone else can provide better data, the 10,000+ miles of range data we have so far is the best we have.

feels like a move of the goalposts

The EPA tests are excellent data with respect to the conditions of each drive parameters

Similarly, an individuals’ “range test” is excellent data with respect only to the conditions of its parameters

They’re all cross-indicative.


I just can’t grasp your mindset.

Pretend you’re a medium-distance runner.

• you sleep 7 hours, have an ok breakfast, then an hour later you go run 10 miles on a flat track, and average a 7min mile.​

• you go to to Facebook and post this data for your friends to see​

• a week later you sleep 5 hours, have no breakfast, then run 10 miles one way uphill, and average a 10 minute mile.​

• a week later, you sleep 8 hours, have a balanced breakfast, then run 15 miles in a flat track, and average a 8 minute mile​

• a week later, you post on Facebook the other two times​

Questions:

(1) what pace do you run?

(2) how do you reply when friend responds to your second facebook post saying, “the real world data is coming in, and you do not run a 7 minute mile, you run between an 8 and 10 minute mile”




The EPA test is the equivalent of an indoor track meet with a 10 mile event.

You respond to your Facebook friend, “for what it’s worth, in the past year I’ve run 5 indoor track meet 10 mile events, and timed at 6.25min, 6.35, 6.10, 6.60, and 6.25 - I’d say I run a 6.3 minute mile”

He replies seemingly angrily “you run as low as a 10 minute mile!!”

WYD?

 

[scottyah]

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OMG is the only thing that I could say when I saw the 15-90% charge. That's definition neophyte. They basically proved my points.
It's just not the way to drive an EV.
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But most people only travel maybe once a year anyway.

For the other 360 days a year that you plug in at home? You have a full tank every day and probably only use a few percent of it.

I think that's the point of this thread that people who weren't drawn in by the 500mi estimate are missing.

I get it: life changes when you get an EV, it doesn't work the same, you don't even leave your city or drive up hills in the cold or stray 20 miles from downtown Boringlifetown.

It's great you live a life that only needs a glorified golf cart. I don't. A lot of people don't.
It's super cool that you want to go slowly through America and take in the sights and smells- if I only went on a road trip once a year I would too!

There's a large group here that does weekend warrior trips, blasting out Friday night going 200 miles (mostly up) as fast as (lawfully) possible happens once or twice a month. Time off is precious, and typically the destination contains the activity that makes the whole trip worth it.
The cybertruck on the Announcement Day slides was *PERFECT* for this. Pretty much every ICE car can do it. This new version is looking like it will be a far cry from being able to do what we had imagined, so we're discussing it here while compiling all the data as it arrives.
The amount of confusion on the intention of this thread that has come off as weird evidence-denying, talking down, and even anger is quite staggering.

And we've barely even brought up towing! From some prior in-depth posts it sounds like it's comparable to a F150 Lightning:

"With the largest available battery pack, a fully charged 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning electric truck has less energy onboard than a regular F-150 with four gallons of gas in its tank."

It takes a whole special kind of person to try to convince me that that isn't completely laughable.

I'm still completely enamored and will be buying the cybertruck, I'm just not going to pretend like it will be a good weekender(drive fast, usually up, to places mostly devoid of places that are full of superchargers, probably towing something) truck.

It will be great for groceries, commuting, slow trips, home depot runs, picking up furniture, helping friends move, drag racing(lol), etc.

 

[Crissa]

The charge curves on the CT are pretty bad currently, hoping that gets better with software updates.
They arrived with as much as 15etc is that they are out west and the superchargers are a ways apart.

Yes, but that doesn't really add up to the numbers on the screen.

They really need to use more of the battery; that bottom 15% is where charging is the fastest.

-Crissa

 

[Crissa]

"With the largest available battery pack, a fully charged 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning electric truck has less energy onboard than a regular F-150 with four gallons of gas in its tank."

It takes a whole special kind of person to try to convince me that that isn't completely laughable.

I'm sorry that you don't understand basic physics? Where do you think all that heat and noise and vibration from the engine comes from? It's not free. Which is why electrics try their darnedest to not produce excess heat and vibration.

-Crissa

 

[Woodrick]

I think that's the point of this thread that people who weren't drawn in by the 500mi estimate are missing.

I get it: life changes when you get an EV, it doesn't work the same, you don't even leave your city or drive up hills in the cold or stray 20 miles from downtown Boringlifetown.

It's great you live a life that only needs a glorified golf cart. I don't. A lot of people don't.
It's super cool that you want to go slowly through America and take in the sights and smells- if I only went on a road trip once a year I would too!

There's a large group here that does weekend warrior trips, blasting out Friday night going 200 miles (mostly up) as fast as (lawfully) possible happens once or twice a month. Time off is precious, and typically the destination contains the activity that makes the whole trip worth it.
The cybertruck on the Announcement Day slides was *PERFECT* for this. Pretty much every ICE car can do it. This new version is looking like it will be a far cry from being able to do what we had imagined, so we're discussing it here while compiling all the data as it arrives.
The amount of confusion on the intention of this thread that has come off as weird evidence-denying, talking down, and even anger is quite staggering.



It will be great for groceries, commuting, slow trips, home depot runs, picking up furniture, helping friends move, drag racing(lol), etc.

You evidently have no idea how Tesla EVs work. I just finished travelling 2400 miles in December in my Model Y. I have question that the Cybertruck will be able to do the exact same thing.
I have no problems heading into the mountains and back out for a weekend.
I've pulled a boat from Atlanta to Tampa.

I have no question that the Cybertruck will be able to do all that and more.


Where have I not been able to get in my Model 3? We were heading down a road a few years ago and decided that it was time to turn around, after all the ruts were over 6 inches deep and getting deeper. I have no question that I can easily go beyond that in the Cybrertruck.

You are in freaking San Diego, you have no idea how far you would have to go to get even 100 miles beyond a Supercharger. California is littered with Superchargers all over the place.

I've driven my Tesla on numerous trips that extended from Miami to Chicago and from the Atlantis well past the Mississippi.

200 mile weekend warrior trip ROTFLMAO, try a 36 hour from Atlanta to Cape Canaveral for a launch and back, a 1,000 mile trip, in a Tesla.

 

[JamesG]

I mean I have been waiting on this 500+ mile 40-80k truck for 4 years.
The last month has brought us:
Steer by wire - AWSOME
A bunch previously rumored things like bulletproof doors, rear wheel steering - COOL
But has also brought the price up 60% - BUMMER
Range from 500+ to 340 - OUCH
Now we are learning it may be 180 miles?!?!

REALLY wanted this truck to be a slam dunk, tempered expectations because well.....Tesla
Swallowed the price increase but range 500+ > 340 > 180 is pretty disappointing after holding a reservation for 4 years with the intent of buying.


So yea, after waiting 4 years and finding out the price is 60% higher and now the range is maybe 60% lower I am disappointed. Are you not?

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[JamesG]

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I agree with the other person. Go buy a Ford or Chevy.

 

[Gigahorse]

Yes, but that doesn't really add up to the numbers on the screen.

They really need to use more of the battery; that bottom 15% is where charging is the fastest.

-Crissa

Low % charge the quickest, but the issue is if they took the % lower they would not make it to the next supercharger. This was a trip to get from point A to B (with a bunch of SC stops) and not a maximize charging trip. Especially out West and in rural areas you don't have the choice between charging at 15% or 2% your choice is to charge at 15% or run out of energy and get towed 60 miles.

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