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Was just thinking this, they are pocketing some SERIOUS extra cash on these. Easy extra 100 milllion $ on their balance sheet this year if every cybertruck is a fs with $20k markup, that’s only 5k trucks they have to sell.
And every single penny of it is going to pay off the billions that they invested in creating the truck. Heck, the numbers that you are suggested won't even pay for the production lines.
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Elon said the Cybertruck won’t be profitable for another 12-18 months. I can only imagine how many millions just one giga casting machine costs.
 

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I guess shoot first and ask questions later lol.
I agree with everything you are all saying. Day 2 reservation. I still have $1,000 at Rivian and they’ve been bugging me to configure that.
For context, I will use the truck as lifestyle vehicle. Daily driver, deer hunting, hauling my E bike and quad (rip cyberquad), occasionally my 14ft aluminum fishing boat.
I am still going to test drive Rivian in NY and go next door to look from a far at the cybertruck in the showroom. Now they both have $1grand of mine and only one is refundable at this point.

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I'll buy you a beer or two for the opportunity to check out your CT when it lands in Connecticut!

I can't wait for my number to come up!
 

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I have only ridden in a car with FSD and never used it myself. $12k is just insane. So I am curious about your FSD experience. When you are in a city, for example, are you confident in it? When I rode with my brother with his M3 w/FSD it was like watching a horror movie. We were just waiting for the next terrifying scene when the car would do something crazy. It immediately struck me, "People pay $12k to feel nervous like this?"
So, does confidence in the system grow as you use it and trust it, or do you still feel like it is lulling you into a false sense of security and will try and wreck you?
You have a legit concern. It is not like it is a perfect thing, you do require some blind faith to go into it. I have tested it is different situations and sometimes, it amazes you, while in certain situations, you have no clue what happened. I'll give you an example: I have let FSD make turning decisions where it has gone from the rightmost lane on a 3 lane road to making a left turn in good amount of traffic flawlessly, but at other times, it has abruptly slowed down for no reason on a straight road for light to no traffic. But there have been improvements w with every new release.
 


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You have a legit concern. It is not like it is a perfect thing, you do require some blind faith to go into it. I have tested it is different situations and sometimes, it amazes you, while in certain situations, you have no clue what happened. I'll give you an example: I have let FSD make turning decisions where it has gone from the rightmost lane on a 3 lane road to making a left turn in good amount of traffic flawlessly, but at other times, it has abruptly slowed down for no reason on a straight road for light to no traffic. But there have been improvements w with every new release.
My model Y slams on the brakes at the same spot on a highway I use to get to work. Both of our Model Y's do it. It has almost caused rear-end accidents numerous times until I got used to it and realized what was going on. Now I click off autopilot before I get there or I over-ride with the accelerator. It seems kind of crazy to me because with all the data Tesla has, shouldn't they notice that every Tesla slams on its brakes at the exact same spot every time it goes past? And it does it in the opposite direction as well in the exact same spot. How could this not cause some sort of flag in the AI software? Silly and dangerous.
 

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My model Y slams on the brakes at the same spot on a highway I use to get to work. Both of our Model Y's do it. It has almost caused rear-end accidents numerous times until I got used to it and realized what was going on. Now I click off autopilot before I get there or I over-ride with the accelerator. It seems kind of crazy to me because with all the data Tesla has, shouldn't they notice that every Tesla slams on its brakes at the exact same spot every time it goes past? And it does it in the opposite direction as well in the exact same spot. How could this not cause some sort of flag in the AI software? Silly and dangerous.
I'm a bit of an optimist when it comes to technology. But that said, we had a similar issue a while back when FSD was not widely released. On a rote that we regularly take, it would be going fine at the speed limit and all of a sudden you hear the slamming of the brakes with a loud alarm of a front collision --- there was nothing there on the road, but happened every time. We were doing the same thing you mentioned, turning it off around that spot. But with the new release of FSD, that is gone. Plus, the new FSD has this good feature to report your concern as to what happened that made you cancel the autopilot. I always provide a feedback no matter how silly. Hopefully, it gives them some data/examples of where the software needs improvement.
 

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So, does confidence in the system grow as you use it and trust it, or do you still feel like it is lulling you into a false sense of security and will try and wreck you?
The opposite for me. I started out in love with it but got more and more annoyed as time past and now I don't have the patience. EAP isn't bad if you turn off traffic light detection and don't mind being the slowest car on the road (off freeway) but your impression of FSD is spot on. You have to be hyper-alert all the time because it frequently tries to cause an accident. 3-4 times on the 10 mile urban/city portion of my commute (it works pretty well on the freeway). This is very frustrating to me because Tesla could *easily* fix this (just add lane change confirmation). If they did that it would actually be pretty sweet - even if not true FSD.
 

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My model Y slams on the brakes at the same spot on a highway I use to get to work. Both of our Model Y's do it. It has almost caused rear-end accidents numerous times until I got used to it and realized what was going on. Now I click off autopilot before I get there or I over-ride with the accelerator. It seems kind of crazy to me because with all the data Tesla has, shouldn't they notice that every Tesla slams on its brakes at the exact same spot every time it goes past? And it does it in the opposite direction as well in the exact same spot. How could this not cause some sort of flag in the AI software? Silly and dangerous.
Mine does too. When the carpool lane turns into a Regular lane, It actually thinks the lane is ending and slams on the brakes/tries to get over to the right
 

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Elon said the Cybertruck won’t be profitable for another 12-18 months. I can only imagine how many millions just one giga casting machine costs.
…. I can only imagine how many (BILLIONS) they saved not setting up a paint booth on the line at a cost of what, half a billion $?!
 


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you're forgetting that FSD will actually make you money, and that your car will not depreciate but in fact be an appreciating asset

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?? So many fanboi bootlickers on this forum that it is hard to recognize sarcasm sometimes. Nobody currently owning a Tesla and forked out the money for FSD will have their car robo-taxiing and making them money.
 

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you're forgetting that FSD will actually make you money, and that your car will not depreciate but in fact be an appreciating asset

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I actually enjoy FSD. I like to see how it improves with my daily drives and I'll test it out in the city once in a while.

But I don't really see it as making someone money, or appreciating much in value over time until it hits level 3.

When I go to sell my car and get a Cybertruck, I don't expect to get much for the FSD system, because I would be selling a used car. Someone who is buying a couple year old used car rather than new, likely isn't going to then spend 12k+ for FSD.

Even if you got a car years ago when it was 7k, It might be hard to get 7k on top of the car for that software when reselling.

Level 3, even just on highways, is the first step I could realistically see that would cause resale value to go up. But for that to be the case, it's not just Tesla that has to say it's level 3, but it would also have to be legal. People that commute a lot might actually spend more money, on top of a used car, to be able to text or watch videos legally while on the highway.

Are we close to that? it's hard to say. I know I have let me car drive me on the highway a few times a week for the past 2 years and it's never made a mistake in my eyes. not during boring driving, not in busy areas, and definitely not in stop and go traffic. I still pay attention, but if it was announced that FSD could legally go level 3, i'd be watching a movie on every long drive from now on.
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