Tug of War: CyberTruck vs. diesel GMC Silverado (by Cyber Hooligan)

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[CarMan ElecTruck]

You are brave for posting this here.

Count down to “I don’t care of it can’t Tug-o-War”…

Altho Tesla made a big deal of it years ago also…

makes me wonder if there is a slip occurrence or slight roll-back (or some other natural real word scenario) when you are towing a trailer, will it experience similar?

 

[M0unt41nm4n]

Now that’s a bummer. That Silverado has 975 lbs of torque. My F350 High Output Powerstroke has 1200 lbs… and was really interested if a CT could truly win a pulling contest against that.

 

[Gigahorse]

Unhooking the ABS does not seem like a great idea...........

I think Tesla will fix or adjust this, putting the vehicle under extreme load and having it cut all power and roll could be really bad.
For instance if you go to pull a boat out of the water and the truck senses a large load and just cuts power and rolls backwards, or a camper on a hill, etc.

 

[PLC]

Now that’s a bummer. That Silverado has 975 lbs of torque. My F350 High Output Powerstroke has 1200 lbs… and was really interested if a CT could truly win a pulling contest against that.

Wasn´t the sled pull competition a pulling contest?
The results of any tug of war are quite predictable, if the both opponents have the same coefficient of friction, differential lockers and enough power for spinning wheels of the line: the heavier one wins.
BTW: the torque of an ICE vehicle is measured at the crankshaft. Maximum torque at the wheels is much much higher. A small tractor with a 60hp 200Nm motor can easily outpull your F350, if you load it to the right weight and put it into the lowest gear.

 

[M0unt41nm4n]

Wasn´t the sled pull competition a pulling contest?
The results of any tug of war are quite predictable, if the both opponents have the same coefficient of friction, differential lockers and enough power for spinning wheels of the line: the heavier one wins.
BTW: the torque of an ICE vehicle is measured at the crankshaft. Maximum torque at the wheels is much much higher. A small tractor with a 60hp 200Nm motor can easily outpull your F350, if you load it to the right weight and put it into the lowest gear.

It came from Tesla itself so I call it semi-suspect. The 911 race was already debunked (See the Throttlehouse video). I would be interested in seeing a real world test against a F350 HO. Honestly I really don't know... it comes down to motor torque and Tesla seems to quote wheel torque. Rivian R1T quotes theirs at 908 ft lbs... which I think is more in line with reality as a motor torque estimate... and its lower than the 1200 lbs of a 2023 F350 HO motor. Tesla quotes 10296 lbs which is wheel torque... not motor torque. I cannot believe the torque on the CT is way off a Rivian. Again... a real world test would be neat to see.

Yes... I would really like to see a 200Nm (147 ft-lb) tractor out pull the 1200 ft lb (1626.9815 Nm) F350 if that tractor is quoting the motor torque. ?

 

[CTInProcess]

The Tesla test was a gimmick, it really doesn’t prove anything.

We know it can tow, what matters right now is Range and Range only.

 

[PLC]

The Tesla test was a gimmick, it really doesn’t prove anything.

We know it can tow, what matters right now is Range and Range only.

Why was it a gimmick? Same sled, same location, same weather. Seems like a propper competition to me.
Range is not the topic. Why do you bring ist up?

 

[CTInProcess]

Why was it a gimmick? Same sled, same location, same weather. Seems like a propper competition to me.
Range is not the topic. Why do you bring ist up?

The F-150 was rear wheel drive, everything Tesla or any manufacturer does is a gimmick to drum up interest or sales. Notice they never took a Lightning during the official reveal in November and try the same stunt.

Why do I bring up range? Because that’s the only thing keeping EV Trucks from burying ICE Trucks. But I guess we can keep posting about “wraps” and “tug of war” to make ourselves feel better about our purchase.

 

[M0unt41nm4n]

Why was it a gimmick? Same sled, same location, same weather. Seems like a propper competition to me.
Range is not the topic. Why do you bring ist up?

You may want to have a watch of this as its a full debunk from an engineering perspective... it wasn't even a full 1/4 mile run:



Why I brought it up:

On throttlehouse they talk about torque specs and quoting at about 1 minute into the video.

More importantly, I brought it up because Tesla is tooting their own horn (marketing perhaps?) and its expected they may not be so honest for sales purposes. They were shown not to be fully forthright in making their claims via the video above. Based on that, its probably reasonable to think that the pulling contest between the CT and a diesel truck that Tesla claims may not be so forthright as well.

Its gonna be close... and as I said... A real world test done independently would be more believable. I am sure in the not too distant future someone is gonna do it.

 

[PLC]

It came from Tesla itself so I call it semi-suspect. The 911 race was already debunked (See the Throttlehouse video). I would be interested in seeing a real world test against a F350 HO. Honestly I really don't know... it comes down to motor torque and Tesla seems to quote wheel torque. Rivian R1T quotes theirs at 908 ft lbs... which I think is more in line with reality as a motor torque estimate... and its lower than the 1200 lbs of a 2023 F350 HO motor. Tesla quotes 10296 lbs which is wheel torque... not motor torque. I cannot believe the torque on the CT is way off a Rivian. Again... a real world test would be neat to see.

Yes... I would really like to see a 200Nm (147 ft-lb) tractor out pull the 1200 ft lb (1626.9815 Nm) F350 if that tractor is quoting the motor torque. ?

I am deeply sorry for you, that you dont understand physics. 1630Nm of torque on the wheels would lead to a pulling-force of about 4000N (900lbf) on the F350. Not that much. Thats why you have a transmission. The 60hp tractor has a way bigger transmission. The lower the speed, the higher the force. A typical agricultural tractor will move as slow as 2mph in the lowest gear at maximum torque revs. Your F350 can go how slow at max. torque revs? Do the math. You will never outpull a 60hp 200Nm tractor, if the tractor is way heavier than your F350.
So no: it does not come down to motor torque. As I said: It comes down to traction-control (or lockers) and weight.
BTW. the trottlehouse video shows a 911 turbo s and not the 911 tesla used. I have not seen actual debunking yet.

 

[CTInProcess]

I am deeply sorry for you, that you dont understand physics. 1630Nm of torque on the wheels would lead to a pulling-force of about 4000N (900lbf) on the F350. Not that much. Thats why you have a transmission. The 60hp tractor has a way bigger transmission. The lower the speed, the higher the force. A typical agricultural tractor will move as slow as 2mph in the lowest gear at maximum torque revs. Your F350 can go how slow at max. torque revs? Do the math. You will never outpull a 60hp 200Nm tractor, if the tractor is way heavier than your F350.
So no: it does not come down to motor torque. As I said: It comes down to traction-control (or lockers) and weight.
BTW. the trottlehouse video shows a 911 turbo s and not the 911 tesla used. I have not seen actual debunking yet.

He meant engineering explained not Throttle House…..

Again, another Tesla marketing video that doesn’t matter in the overall picture.

All this was done to cover up for the less than expected range.

 

[M0unt41nm4n]

I am deeply sorry for you, that you dont understand physics. 1630Nm of torque on the wheels would lead to a pulling-force of about 4000N (900lbf) on the F350.
Not that much. Thats why you have a transmission. The 60hp tractor has a way bigger transmission. The lower the speed, the higher the force. A typical agricultural tractor will move as slow as 2mph in the lowest gear at maximum torque revs. Your F350 can go how slow at max. torque revs? Do the math. You will never outpull a 60hp 200Nm tractor, if the tractor is way heavier than your F350.
So no: it does not come down to motor torque. As I said: It comes down to traction-control (or lockers) and weight.

Yes... I will gladly take that bet as I feel very sorry for you my friend. Lets talk about how we can do this. Lets get on some asphalt and lets place 2000lbs of weight in my bed. I will take that bet any day of the week... and yes I will gladly have my lockers on.

I will NOT take the bet on dirt with an empty bed.

BTW. the trottlehouse video shows a 911 turbo s and not the 911 tesla used. I have not seen actual debunking yet.

You didn't watch the video I posted... did you?

 

[PLC]

You may want to have a watch of this as its a full debunk from an engineering perspective... it wasn't even a full 1/4 mile run:



Why I brought it up:

On throttlehouse they talk about torque specs and quoting at about 1 minute into the video.

More importantly, I brought it up because Tesla is tooting their own horn (marketing perhaps?) and its expected they may not be so honest for sales purposes. They were shown not to be fully forthright in making their claims via the video above. Based on that, its probably reasonable to think that the pulling contest between the CT and a diesel truck that Tesla claims may not be so forthright as well.

Its gonna be close... and as I said... A real world test done independently would be more believable. I am sure in the not too distant future someone is gonna do it.

This video is not a full debunk, it is just showing an unqualified guy messing up with middlescoolmath. Tesla explicitly said it was a race between a CT and a brand new 911 from the factory. No one tested, if this 911 on its factorywheels could do the 1/4 mile (or would have done the 1/4mile in that specific run) in 12.2sec on this raceway. And this 12.2sec ist the only argument of the untalented engineer in your video. BTW: It did not seem, that the porsche was catching up until the 1/8 mile-mark. Why should it catch up drastically after the 1/8 mile mark?

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