Tug of War: CyberTruck vs. diesel GMC Silverado (by Cyber Hooligan)

[CTInProcess]

I generally take offense, if somebody is talking trash to make things or people look bad. Again: the CB will reach about 500miles if you buy the extender. Whats the problem? Never noticed, that production vehicles almost never look like their prototypes? And no: lower real world range than EPA or WLTP numbers is not a manipulation, it is just a differnt style of driving or a different usecase. So far there is not a single proof of manipulation or of a marketing stunt. All I see is claptrap of youtube wannabes and their easy to impress followers.

Youre right EE threw their credibility out the window for more viewers who will now not watch his channel because he is “anti-Tesla”

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[PLC]

Youre right EE threw their credibility out the window for more viewers who will now not watch his channel because he is “anti-Tesla”

Makes Sense.

How could he risk his credibility, if 99.9% of his viewers dont understand physics, math and engineering? Based on the numbers on his channel, he was quite succesful with his unfunded critisism. 2.7Mio Views in one month. His other bestsellers took 7 Years to reach 16mio views. Working the lay people with a little teslabashing pays of just fine.

 

[Aldc]

The Tesla test was a gimmick, it really doesn’t prove anything.

We know it can tow, what matters right now is Range and Range only.

They call it "systems intelligence " not to break itself.....protect from unreasonable warranty claims ?

 

[M0unt41nm4n]

No, it absolutely does not matter where the weight is in a pickuptruck, if you have allwheeldrive, locked axels, locked middlediff and you just want to win a tug of war. The reason, why you put weight in the back of your truck when plowing snow is the simple fact, that you lose the weight on your front wheels, when the snow plow pushes itself up against your truck.
And no, I am not a fanboy, I just know physics and math. You are the one, who is obviously a big fanboy of F350s with 1600Nm. Seems like you spent way to much money yourself, which now has to be justified by denigrating other products.

you said it doesn’t matter where weight is in the pickup truck? Seriously? As an “engineer” and a tractor user, you should certainly be acquainted with ballast weight, no?

https://westernplows.com/resource-articles/understanding-proper-ballast-weight/

I mean your concern was that the front tires lighten when pushing snow, right? Which looks like you were wrong. Looks like all the weight is on the front, right? and the rear needs that ballast weight to provide traction, right?

Interestingly enough, ballast is a core concept in tractors

https://www.goodworkstractors.com/b...portance-of-ballast-weight-for-your-tractor/#

so Mr Engineer… I’m guessing those are wrong too? ?. Do you even drive a tractor?

if you are an engineer, I think you will enjoy that second link ?

 

[PLC]

People like you or Mountainman dont understand, that it is totally irrelevant, if there is a dieselengine or an electric engine at the other side of the transmission. The limiting factor when pulling will always be the traction of the wheels. More weight, more traction. If the engine is 10 times weaker (in terms of torque), then make the transmission 20times bigger (in terms of reduction), and a 1600Nm F350 can go home against a 200Nm tractor.
BTW: Electric cars have transmissions too. A Model S Plaid with its 200mph top speed and 24.000U/min motors should have a 1:10 transmission built in. Multiplied with the max torque of the motors (1400Nm) there could be 14.000Nm of torque on the wheels in theorie, if there would be no softwarerestriction. That torque could still spin all tires of the line (nice, warm tires on good asphalt, 1.2 friction coefficient) if the vehicle had 7100lbs. A CT has a way more limited top speed, almost the same power and therefore even more torquepotential on the wheels. At least way more, than it has traction, unless you load it with 8.000lbs.

 

[Gigahorse]

The Tesla test was a gimmick, it really doesn’t prove anything.

We know it can tow, what matters right now is Range and Range only.

Pretty much, all of the tug of war test are mostly optics, put a pair of skinny tires on one truck and it will loose, let the other truck get a half second head start for traction and it will win etc.
What can't be easily spoofed is range, and that is they key factor for a lot of folks.

 

[PLC]

you said it doesn’t matter where weight is in the pickup truck? Seriously? As an “engineer” and a tractor user, you should certainly be acquainted with ballast weight, no?

https://westernplows.com/resource-articles/understanding-proper-ballast-weight/

I mean your concern was that the front tires lighten when pushing snow, right? Which looks like you were wrong. Looks like all the weight is on the front, right? and the rear needs that ballast weight to provide traction, right?

Interestingly enough, ballast is a core concept in tractors

https://www.goodworkstractors.com/b...portance-of-ballast-weight-for-your-tractor/#

so Mr Engineer… I’m guessing those are wrong too? ?. Do you even drive a tractor?

if you are an engineer, I think you will enjoy that second link ?

Although it may be hard for you: You should read the whole sentence, and not just the first few words. AWD, lockers, tug of war and so on...
Sorry that I wont read through your how-to-for-dummies-articles completely. And I also dont want to learn how your stupid half- or fulltontruckmounted snowplows work. They are embarrassing. My tractor mounted snow plow can add weight onto the plow over an adjustable hydraulic accumulator to give the edge more effect. The weight I add onto the plow is reduced from the front wheels. If i push the plow down too much, I have problems with steering not even to mention pushing. It also would be hard do add weight on the front wheels, when there is already a plow mounted in the front, wouldnt it? Thats why you put the weight on the bed. Why? Again: because only weight matters. That brings me to the ballasting of agricultural tractors: We ballast tractors in the front, when we pull heavy loads. There are two aspects in this: 1. the pulling force itself (the force in the direction of the movement) and the vertical distance of the hitch from the ground cause a turning moment over the touchingpoints of the rear wheels to the ground, which tends to lift the front of the tractor. 2. Because only weight on the driven wheels matters in pulling, we try to get some of the weight of the pulled obstacle to the tractor by moving the axle of the trailer backwards, so we can get more weight onto the hitch. This additional vertical force on the hitch and the horizontal distance between hitch and rear axle also causes a turning moment which tends to a lifting front. Thats why we ballast tractors in the front.
In a tug of war there is no vertical force on the hitch, and there is also just a very little turning moment trom pulling because of the low hitch. So absolutely no point in adding weight at a certain point. Again: weight overall matters, when using a fully locked AWD verhicle.

 

[M0unt41nm4n]

Although it may be hard for you: <SNIP> your how-to-for-dummies-articles completely. And I also dont want to learn how your stupid <SNIP> They are embarrassing.

Wow. Resorting to name calling and insults. That's not very community-like. Do you think you can have civil discussions with others? I think you single-handedly pissed off nearly every person in this thread.

The weight I add onto the plow is reduced from the front wheels. If i push the plow down too much, I have problems with steering not even to mention pushing. It also would be hard do add weight on the front wheels, when there is already a plow mounted in the front, wouldnt it? Thats why you put the weight on the bed. Why? Again: because only weight matters. That brings me to the ballasting of agricultural tractors: We ballast tractors in the front, when we pull heavy loads. There are two aspects in this: 1. the pulling force itself (the force in the direction of the movement) and the vertical distance of the hitch from the ground cause a turning moment over the touchingpoints of the rear wheels to the ground, which tends to lift the front of the tractor. 2. Because only weight on the driven wheels matters in pulling, we try to get some of the weight of the pulled obstacle to the tractor by moving the axle of the trailer backwards, so we can get more weight onto the hitch. This additional vertical force on the hitch and the horizontal distance between hitch and rear axle also causes a turning moment which tends to a lifting front. Thats why we ballast tractors in the front.
In a tug of war there is no vertical force on the hitch, and there is also just a very little turning moment trom pulling because of the low hitch. So absolutely no point in adding weight at a certain point. Again: weight overall matters, when using a fully locked AWD verhicle.

Bingo. You push down the weight because the front of your tractor is too light. So where is the weight on a pickup truck? My F350 is darned near 8000 lbs. A good majority of that is in the front over the front axle. The front is already weighted down. The rear has much much lower weight and zero traction. Add torque to that and the rear wheels spin out. In a pull contest, or simply just pulling something, you need even weight distribution so the tires can make solid contact with the ground so they can pull together with the friction of the tires having grab. If they can't grab, they can't pull. The "how-to-for-dummies-articles" explain that concept pretty darned good... the ones you didn't want to read

This entire discussion is getting boring and becoming more of you attacking others with little to no merit on your argument. May I suggest that you go take a walk and chill out? ?

 

[PLC]

Wow. Resorting to name calling and insults. That's not very community-like. Do you think you can have civil discussions with others? I think you single-handedly pissed off nearly every person in this thread.



Bingo. You push down the weight because the front of your tractor is too light. So where is the weight on a pickup truck? My F350 is darned near 8000 lbs. A good majority of that is in the front over the front axle. The front is already weighted down. The rear has much much lower weight and zero traction. Add torque to that and the rear wheels spin out. In a pull contest, or simply just pulling something, you need even weight distribution so the tires can make solid contact with the ground so they can pull together with the friction of the tires having grab. If they can't grab, they can't pull. The "how-to-for-dummies-articles" explain that concept pretty darned good... the ones you didn't want to read

This entire discussion is getting boring and becoming more of you attacking others with little to no merit on your argument. May I suggest that you go take a walk and chill out? ?

So you think you deserve a civil discussion, although you continiue acting like a child? How often have I now pointed out AWD + full lockers? Six times? And you still play dumb.
Get lost man. You are eighter too stubborn or too stupid to change your twisted interpretation of reality.

 

[charliemagpie]

Just another case of what should be light entertainment taken far too seriously by Tesla fence sitters.

 

[PLC]

Again, dear deniers of education and physical facts: not if it is heavier and has great traction control. And because it is in the size of a halfton-truck, heavier than the ICE-trucks in this class and has a great traction control system, it is quite likely, that your BS talking dieseltrader with his stupid torque numbers will walk of mortified.

 

[PLC]

Just another case of what should be light entertainment taken far too seriously by Tesla fence sitters.

God forbids, that some actual facts disturb your light entertainment fencesitting.

 

[charliemagpie]

lol

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