Let's all let Tesla know we want option to set FSD max speed on the scroll wheel made available.

[PatPwl]

14.1.7 in my Cybertruck is great -- and corrected the shortcomings (including lane centering, proper lane turns, and curb avoidance on sharp turns) that I felt needed changing. I truly enjoy letting FSD (supervised) do the driving. BUT speed control IS definitely an issue. School zones are not always properly detected, and too often other Speed Limit signs are not complied with. To satisfy my required actions as a "supervisor", the ability to change to the appropriate speed rather than selecting a different "drive mode" is essential.

Interestingly, the system design permits illegal speeding, yet always makes a complete stop at STOP signs, even when a rolling stop would be both safe and appropriate.

Please bring back the SPEED control feature and I'll be a happy camper!!

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[DEAKBS]

I would love a "stay in this lane for the next mile" button. Run into this all the time when I know the flow of the traffic and the lane changes it wants to make are all slower/pointless.

I am the only person with a Tesla who doesnt want speed options back. I think the profiles are the right path. But I am painfully aware that is a minority position. I have never had sloth go more than 1-2 miles over the limit. I use in neighborhoods and other places to be extra safe.

We're not advocating for making the scroll wheel control speed again, we are advocating for the option to. You would still be able to leave the driving profiles as is. Taking away options is never a good idea, not sure why anyone would think otherwise. It wasn't that difficult to change profiles before anyways.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

Hear, here!

I think it’s ignoring reality to say adding back the option for user input for maximum speed is going in reverse. You could always use user speed input to increase as well as decrease maximum speed. If traffic was going faster, you could just bump it up, but still set a maximum speed. It worked quite well. The FSD14 set up does not work as well, and it’s certainly not as safe especially on streets, for all the reasons stated by many posts.

we would all like the new profiles especially if standard really did just drive 5mph over, but that’s not how they work. on the interstate that’s generally true, but they adjust to what the vehicle perceives as the flow of traffic, sometimes creeping up much faster than 5mph over. Even that would be sort of ok, but the vehicle has a huge number of errors for what it thinks is the speed limit, often being much higher, but sometimes much lower, than the real posted speed limit. That makes FSD unusable, especially on suburban streets. If the speed limits were even mostly correct it would be a much smaller problem- but they are not. That’s why we need to have the driver to be able to set the maximum speed, as it has been all along since I’ve owned a Tesla. The issue is not the profiles, it’s the decision to remove the driver’s ability to override the maximum speed when the vehicle data does not match reality.

Agreed - I love the new profiles, have zero issue with them. And I understand Tesla’s rationale in using them the way they do - and support the kind of progress they intend. But there is simply NO reason to not ALSO have a user-identified cap on speeds similar to the former scroll-wheel, on top of the more AI-nuanced functionality that was just added in the five profiles. This does not regress in any way. Folks have a point when they reply SUPERVISED - but it is neither necessary nor prudent to eliminate a driver’s ability to limit speeds while properly supervising FSD. The fanbois are so quick to point out a driver’s responsibility to supervise FSD, but then defend or rationalize Tesla’s decision to not supplying a basic safety over-ride to execute that responsibility. You cannot have it both ways - we are either supervising or we are not.

 

[machmax]

Maybe option to let us configure the max speed for each profile or better yet, a set of customization options for each so we know exactly what to expect from it? (If Tesla doesn’t give us back speed control) or am I asking too much?

 

[Edphonse]

Fsd v14.2 looks to be starting its EA roll out without max speed setting put back in. Guess TACC is going to be my new (old) driving profile?

 

[georgek43]

Maybe option to let us configure the max speed for each profile or better yet, a set of customization options for each so we know exactly what to expect from it? (If Tesla doesn’t give us back speed control) or am I asking too much?

I believe their rationale is to move toward full autonomous driving, so they want to test out the ability for the existing vehicles with AI4 to autonomously manage speed in the real world. But that shouldn’t mean that the only way to supervise maximum speed is to disengage FSD- there’s no customer based reason to have removed our ability to cap maximum speed, or even adjust up maximum speed when the map is incorrectly too low. (When the FSD selected speed is too low you can step on the accelerator pedal, but when too high your only option to reduce speed is to disengage FSD.)

The new profiles with autonomous speed control would work better with accurate speed limits in Tesla maps, but that’s just not anywhere close to real at this time. So your current choice is to break the law, be unsafe, or disengage FSD. I don’t like any of those choices.

 

[georgek43]

Fsd v14.2 looks to be starting its EA roll out without max speed setting put back in. Guess TACC is going to be my new (old) driving profile?

Tesla is known for arrogant autocratic decisions (which sometimes works in the short run) not for caring much about what their customers want. Too bad- I really love my CT, and hate to see the sales numbers. FSD14 is not helping my brand loyalty.

 

[Edphonse]

That reads to me as you can program your own profile ala, I want to do 3 mph under the speed limit and call it super sloth.

The problem a lot of us are having isnt the speed offsets in the profile, it is the FSD can see the speed limit signs (sometimes it can't even see the speed limit signs) and chooses to do something completely illegal. In fsd 13 that was fine because we could supervise and override the vehicles decision for speed. For me specifically, my daily commute is only like 10 miles but it has for instance, set a speed of 55 mph on a road posted at 25, ignored school zone 15 mph and continues at 35 mph, sets max speed at 25 in a 35 zone (which would require to move the profile to hurry or made max just to do the speed limit), etc.

FSD is completely unusable for me in its current state while commuting and I don't think freeway driving will be much better since there are plenty of construction zones around me that set the temp speed at 45/55 in a usual 70 zone.

 

[hemiarch]

Agreed - I love the new profiles, have zero issue with them. And I understand Tesla’s rationale in using them the way they do - and support the kind of progress they intend. But there is simply NO reason to not ALSO have a user-identified cap on speeds similar to the former scroll-wheel, on top of the more AI-nuanced functionality that was just added in the five profiles. This does not regress in any way. Folks have a point when they reply SUPERVISED - but it is neither necessary nor prudent to eliminate a driver’s ability to limit speeds while properly supervising FSD. The fanbois are so quick to point out a driver’s responsibility to supervise FSD, but then defend or rationalize Tesla’s decision to not supplying a basic safety over-ride to execute that responsibility. You cannot have it both ways - we are either supervising or we are not.

Of course there is a way to execute that responsibility. It’s the brake pedal.
If FSD gets disengaged using the brake pedal by everyone who drives a particular stretch of road, that would prompt correction of the max speed in that area no?

 

[georgek43]

Of course there is a way to execute that responsibility. It’s the brake pedal.
If FSD gets disengaged using the brake pedal by everyone who drives a particular stretch of road, that would prompt correction of the max speed in that area no?

I wish that Tesla was that responsive. Has not happened on the roads I drive.

 

[Edphonse]

I wish that Tesla was that responsive. Has not happened on the roads I drive.

With the millions of road in the US alone, Teslas FSD would be inundated with reports of "speed limit wrong" when there was a perfect solution for years, driver override of max speed. Tesla could have easily added code for those who have opted in to share FSD data, that everytime a driver off sets their speed by 5+mph from what the car picked for a person to review speed limits programmed in that area.

Edit:removed billions of miles, got curious and looked it up, NHTSA reported around 4 million miles of road in the US.

 

[hemiarch]

I wish that Tesla was that responsive. Has not happened on the roads I drive.

Of course they aren’t but it’s not them that has to. The whole point of machine learning is to take this over from them so they don’t have to no?

 

[georgek43]

Of course they aren’t but it’s not them that has to. The whole point of machine learning is to take this over from them so they don’t have to no?

Machine learning, programming, human learning- all the same results when it’s GI it’s GO. And machine learning could be a lot faster with thousands of Tesla FSD users inputting real world corrections to the speed data. To quote edphonse, “there was a perfect solution for years, driver override of max speed”. All Tesla has to do is use Occam’s razor and restore the perfect solution.

 

[Coolhandz]

What about a compromise? An option to correct the actual speed limit? For example, tapping the Speed Limit icon on the screen and menu shows common speed limits for the user to select. This would provide intentional feedback and if X amount of drivers consistently report the same speed limit, then the fleet will receive updates reflecting that feedback.

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