Women sues Tesla claiming Cybertruck crash caused by FSD (video). Musk responds & owners test with their own FSD

[Pops]

It’s always someone else’s fault

Did you even read what you posted? The person suing Tesla wasn't the driver. Their claim is that the vehicles design trapped them in the vehicle after the crash. How is that scapegoating someone else? Should they blame themselves for how the truck is designed?

There are also now regulations against this type of door handle design in a few nations and its growing. Its objectively true that Electronic door releases are more prone to failure in a crash. More parts and points of failure.

This is not a Tesla, but it can show you how electric door handles failing can be a problem very quickly.

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[ÆCIII]

Regardless, drivers have to acknowledge and agree on screen they are responsible for taking control of the vehicle any time, before enabling driver assistance features - so even if it was an (unlikely) inadvertent disengagement by accidentally touching the brake or whatever, the driver is still responsible for paying attention and taking control of the vehicle instantly at any time.

So, either way the driver is trying to deny responsibility when Tesla has proof she agreed to that responsibility.

Currently the latest version of FSD, with exception of Robotaxis, is still (Supervised), so people should know what that means as their responsibility to supervise and take control any time if necessary.

But from the video I believe she did disengage - whether attentively or not. Either way the responsibility is on her and not Tesla.

Today's tendency for weakness to accept responsibility (in many things), is actually a cultural problem that's corrupted the mindset and attitudes of many people.

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[SlegMD]

More info needed, there a full video somewhere?

her CT is going very fast for a 15mph recommended zone, if the vehicle truly was at elevated speed and the passenger takes over to attempt recovery… should be interesting

 

[AlDente]

It's a money grab, and the Ambulance Chaser (lawyer) convinced her to sue. I'm guessing the lawyer doesn't know that Tesla hired a legal team to fight this kind of stuff. Outside of the Tesla circle, not very many people know.

I agree with CyberGus, it should be loser pays.

I still have to explain to people the myths about electric cars.

If you really want to discourage all this unnecessary litigation, something where the attorneys have to forfeit any collected fees if they lose the case would, as we like to say out here in the wild west ... geterdone.

 

[REM]

Their claim is that the vehicles design trapped them in the vehicle after the crash.

The manual emergency release levers failed when they attempted to use them?

 

[ChiTownCT]

I love my CT as the next guy, but we all know FSD is known to not read speed signs accurately .. Even if it does, it will at times ignore and follow its own speed based on settings..

All of this is certainly out the window at the fact that you should be ready to assume control any given moment you forsee a potential problem. The only time I'm fully "disengaged" from driving is when on the highway on open road ahead.. Everything else is questionable to me no matter how good FSD seems to be..

 

[AlDente]

It's difficult to discourage frivolous lawsuits without impeding legitimate claims. Have the loser pay legal fees can be a deterrent, but only if the plaintiff has something to lose.

We live in a litigious society, I don't think it's anything new. Most people will roll the dice if given a 1% chance at millions of dollars (or a even a "nuisance" settlement).

I think at-fault drivers never believe they are at fault simply because their perception of events is incorrect ("why was it going faster when I was pressing on the brake??").

You are of course correct and like many things, no easy answers. If Attorneys gain nothing from unsuccessful lawsuits we should see the numbers of civil out of court settlements drop precipitously. These payoff settlements are how many PI lawyers make a living, not by going to court and winning a judgement. If it's a legitimate case then by all means go for the trial.

 

[Pops]

The manual emergency release levers failed when they attempted to use them?

I have not seen if that is mentioned. I do think the emergency release levers should be more obvious. However there are 0 physical levers outside the truck. In most modern vehicles, the doors automatically unlock when airbags deploy. What if a passenger is incapacitated and good samaritan is outside? It would be very difficult to provide assistance.

They do bring up the windows being virtually inescapable as well in their claim.

 

[AlDente]

I love my CT as the next guy, but we all know FSD is known to not read speed signs accurately .. Even if it does, it will at times ignore and follow its own speed based on settings..

All of this is certainly out the window at the fact that you should be ready to assume control any given moment you forsee a potential problem. The only time I'm fully "disengaged" from driving is when on the highway on open road ahead.. Everything else is questionable to me no matter how good FSD seems to be..

Sign reading is one of the most difficult edge cases due to a lack of standards for road signs. That said, FSD gets better with each software update so it will eventually be solved. Like you, when my butts in the drivers seat I am taking responsibility for my vehicle and any actions it takes. In fact, I don't want a vehicle with no steering wheel, brake or throttle. I hope to always retain that ability and accept that responsability.

 

[Pops]

Interesting they don't show the full screen video that shows speed/pedals and whether Fsd was active or not.

How do you export with those overlays? I know they are visible in the car, but I copied a recent video from the USB drive and those details are not in the videos.

 

[Eka]

1. Humans suck
2. AI says "hold my beer"

I'm steeling that!

I love my CT as the next guy, but we all know FSD is known to not read speed signs accurately .. Even if it does, it will at times ignore and follow its own speed based on settings..

All of this is certainly out the window at the fact that you should be ready to assume control any given moment you forsee a potential problem. The only time I'm fully "disengaged" from driving is when on the highway on open road ahead.. Everything else is questionable to me no matter how good FSD seems to be..

Very similar to how I treat FSD. I've even seen some recent reactions to skid marks that make me watch even closer on the highway.

Sign reading is one of the most difficult edge cases due to a lack of standards for road signs. That said, FSD gets better with each software update so it will eventually be solved. Like you, when my butts in the drivers seat I am taking responsibility for my vehicle and any actions it takes. In fact, I don't want a vehicle with no steering wheel, brake or throttle. I hope to always retain that ability and accept that responsability.

I'm sorry. AI should be able to find signs, and even interpret the text on them. There are standards for size, shape, symbols, and even what is said on them. Yeah, some change state by state and country by country, but AI using map data should know where it is.

Unfortunately now it looks like FSD drives mostly by feel. This looks like a 50 MPH road. So it drives speeds people drive on 50 MPH roads, not the posted 25 MPH. It isn't properly interpreting the meta data in the environment like signs and road markings, let alone local custom. It doesn't know that the lines across the road at an intersection are crosswalks for which you should stop before if you need to stop. On the main east west road in town, sometimes it tries to stop at a few of the stoplights even if they are green. It also tries to stop at some crosswalk only spots around town when nobody is there.

 

[JCERRN]

How do you export with those overlays? I know they are visible in the car, but I copied a recent video from the USB drive and those details are not in the videos.

I think you save the clip to usb and it should be there. Not 100% sure

 

[axhoaxho]

This guy drove his Tesla to the same curve using FSD. He did it twice, and both times FSD handled it well without problem.

 

[SCTesla]

This guy drove his Tesla to the same curve using FSD. He did it twice, and both times FSD handled it well without problem.

He did it on V14. I'm not saying FSD was at fault, but his test was dumb and a completely different stack and version of FSD.

 

[Tallgeese179]

One other thing to consider: FSD is also using GPS and OpenStreetMaps data, so it should be very aware of exactly what every upcoming corner will look like, right? Like in rally when the guy reads corner direction and severity to the driver.

The reason I think it takes this into account is that my CT constantly struggles to traverse a section of strip mall parking lot. I was wondering why it was behaving so weirdly until my boss mentioned OpenSteetMaps being the basis for Tesla's nav. Low and behold, it's following the path that OSM has instead of what I would consider a more logical path (backed up by the faded black top).

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