Cyberlandr Install

[GuyV]

What precisely is the use case? Going under 100 miles to the next county for a camping trip? Not sure there’s too big a market for that “use case”…

Huh? That's totally what we do here in Missouri, getting out of the city to our many rivers, lakes and streams camping areas, especially over the summer.

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[CyberFreak]

Huh? That's totally what we do here in Missouri, getting out of the city to our many rivers, lakes and streams camping areas, especially over the summer.

then the cyber tent would be a much better solution.

 

[Giskard]

I think the Cyberlandr is a wonderful concept and hope that it will eventually go into production. If it does, I will install one in my Cybertruck. I only require that it be removable so that I still have use of a pickup when needed. The Cyberlandr addition will make my Cybertruck a truly multi-use EV.

The fact that Cyberlandr doesn't add aerodynamic drag at highway speeds far outweighs the loss of range due to maxing out CT's payload capacity of 2500 lbs. When moving at a constant highway speed, the effect of payload is to increase the rolling friction of the tires alone. The Cyberlandr's weight is not known, but will likely be less than 1500 lbs. Based on testing of the Ford Lightning hauling 1500 lbs of cargo which had a loss in range of about 12%, CT's range loss with the Cyberlandr will be far less than what's experienced when towing a trailer. Increasing tire pressure will reduce range loss further.

On a recent 1900 mile road trip in my CT with about 800 lbs of cargo in near ideal driving conditions at an average speed of 70 mph, I achieved an overall efficiency of 432 Wh/mile. With a 1500 lb Cyberlandr installed in addition to a rather hefty 800 lbs of additional payload, I should expect an efficiency of 432 x 1.12 = 483 Wh/mile giving me an 80% to 10% range of 178 miles at 70 mph, and likely over 200 miles in most cases. Since I tend to stop every 150 miles + or - to rest and charge, I anticipate cross country travel with a Cyberlandr to be quite practical.

Charging will not involve unhitching a trailer at a Supercharger, or having to charge both the truck and a battery equipped trailer. When stowed, I can park the truck in any standard parking space including parking garages, and I can use drive-thrus.

Off road destinations will be more accessible from a physical size standpoint, be protected from off-road hazards, and extend range with its high efficiency solar roof.

The stealth aspect is also important. It will make it less of a target from thieves.

The compromise is limited space, of course, although we haven't seen the final design to make a final judgement on that. You can get by with very little space is it's designed efficiently. Price is another unknown. I expect it to be at least $50K, fully featured.

As I see it, the Cybertruck/Cyberlandr combination is unmatched as a go-anywhere, go-anytime, self-contained habitat. I can't wait to see the first working prototype, and will gladly volunteer to be a Beta tester if the chance is offered.

Thanks for doing the math - I was thinking of doing something similar after reading through the prior replies. Even my MYP pulling a 3500 camper (Taxa Mantis) can manage around 100 miles of range under most non-winter conditions, so the idea of having to stop to charge "every 80 miles" sounded pretty ridiculous. I have a Cyberlandr reservation as well and I'm really looking forward to seeing more about the final solution they came up with. Another fact that everyone whinging about the less-than-promised range is that the range for the most popular trim (dual motor) actually increased significantly from the estimates over 4 years ago (340 vs 300).

 

[GuyV]

then the cyber tent would be a much better solution.

Well, that just depends upon your taste in accommodations, doesn't it? Take note that may change depending upon age and other variables.

 

[CyberFreak]

Well, that just depends upon your taste in accommodations, doesn't it? Take note that may change depending upon age and other variables.

sure people make illogical decisions all the time—point being, by not accommodating the range extender the designers have painted themselves into a very tight corner making it statistically highly unlikely it will be successful.

 

[Giskard]

sure people make illogical decisions all the time—point being, by not accommodating the range extender the designers have painted themselves into a very tight corner making it statistically highly unlikely it will be successful.

Firstly, I don't agree with this opinion. 200ish miles of range under most circumstances seems like it should be enough for most use cases. It's certainly adequate for any situation I plan to use mine for.

Secondly, we don't know that Stream It isn't working on a version that could be fit over the range extender. I don't expect they are, but you never know. If they are, some compromises would have to be made (e.g. unlikely it could fully collapse under the vault cover).

Thirdly, there are other options out there (and I'm sure more will come) that can fit even with the range extender in place. You've already mentioned the Cybertent, but there's also the Space Campers shells. They don't have all of the features of the Cyberlandr (the recirculating shower is a killer feature to me assuming they pull it off) and don't collapse fully into the vault, but they look very aerodynamic and light. If range is your overriding requirement above all others, you're free to look elsewhere.

 

[CyberFreak]

Firstly, I don't agree with this opinion. 200ish miles of range under most circumstances seems like it should be enough for most use cases. It's certainly adequate for any situation I plan to use mine for.

Secondly, we don't know that Stream It isn't working on a version that could be fit over the range extender. I don't expect they are, but you never know. If they are, some compromises would have to be made (e.g. unlikely it could fully collapse under the vault cover).

Thirdly, there are other options out there (and I'm sure more will come) that can fit even with the range extender in place. You've already mentioned the Cybertent, but there's also the Space Campers shells. They don't have all of the features of the Cyberlandr (the recirculating shower is a killer feature to me assuming they pull it off) and don't collapse fully into the vault, but they look very aerodynamic and light. If range is your overriding requirement above all others, you're free to look elsewhere.

No way to get 200 miles with camp gear + the Kit + passengers especially on the TriMotor.

 

[GuyV]

sure people make illogical decisions all the time—point being, by not accommodating the range extender the designers have painted themselves into a very tight corner making it statistically highly unlikely it will be successful.

Statistically? LOL, show your work. ?

 

[CyberFreak]

Statistically? LOL, show your work. ?

I’ll have to charge you for my analysis. ?But do some market research and you’ll realize that their decision is alienating the majority of their potential customers.

If you don’t believe that doesn’t result in a statistically low chance of success, then perhaps you could show your work. ?

 

[GuyV]

I’ll have to charge you for my analysis. ?But do some market research and you’ll realize that their decision is alienating the majority of their potential customers.

If you don’t believe that doesn’t result in a statistically low chance of success, then perhaps you could show your work. ?

If you think your analysis is worth paying for you should try collecting from Cyberlandr.

Good Luck! ??

 

[Giskard]

No way to get 200 miles with camp gear + the Kit + passengers especially on the TriMotor.

Correct, though I'm single, pack light, and I'll be getting a dual motor. Again, if range is your overriding concern you have options. Even with the beast and a passenger or two you're probably looking at 175ish. That would still be perfectly fine for me. Note I didn't choose the dual motor for extra range - if I had an extra 20K gathering dust I would have chosen the beast as well

To me it's about optimizing things for my most common use cases whilst still being able to accommodate edge cases. Which is why I was willing to "get by" with my Model Y while waiting for my Cybertruck. It isn't great at towing, but I don't have to tow every day so I can plan around it. Including towing my camper 400 miles across northern MN where chargers aren't exactly super common yet. My Cybertruck will be infinitely better at that even if I'm still towing my current camper.

In that context I, for one, was actually pretty happy with the final specs of the Cybertruck. Restricting the battery pack to a single layer of cells means it's lighter and will handle turns/corners better. It'll also make it more efficient for the vast majority of us and we don't have to have a taller cabin/step in height to accommodate the extra layer of batteries (e.g. the GM approach). The range extender seems like a good compromise to me for those that actually "need" the extra batteries, even if it does reduce the utility of the bed for some uncommon use cases (like trying to shoehorn a collapsible camper over it).

 

[CyberFreak]

If you think your analysis is worth paying for you should try collecting from Cyberlandr.

Good Luck! ??

Ah resorting to ad hominems?? a sure sign of a poster with nothing relevant to offer

Correct, though I'm single, pack light, and I'll be getting a dual motor. Again, if range is your overriding concern you have options. Even with the beast and a passenger or two you're probably looking at 175ish. That would still be perfectly fine for me. Note I didn't choose the dual motor for extra range - if I had an extra 20K gathering dust I would have chosen the beast as well

To me it's about optimizing things for my most common use cases whilst still being able to accommodate edge cases. Which is why I was willing to "get by" with my Model Y while waiting for my Cybertruck. It isn't great at towing, but I don't have to tow every day so I can plan around it. Including towing my camper 400 miles across northern MN where chargers aren't exactly super common yet. My Cybertruck will be infinitely better at that even if I'm still towing my current camper.

In that context I, for one, was actually pretty happy with the final specs of the Cybertruck. Restricting the battery pack to a single layer of cells means it's lighter and will handle turns/corners better. It'll also make it more efficient for the vast majority of us and we don't have to have a taller cabin/step in height to accommodate the extra layer of batteries (e.g. the GM approach). The range extender seems like a good compromise to me for those that actually "need" the extra batteries, even if it does reduce the utility of the bed for some uncommon use cases (like trying to shoehorn a collapsible camper over it).

Agreed on most points.

Keep in mind this KIT is effectively an enclosure not much bigger than the cyberTent (in SF of area) that offers a shower & portable toilet.

There are heated shower boxes like the rinsekit and pop up shower tents. The shower tent could double as a toilet room. You could in theory place that same toilet inside the shower tent and take care of your business. And then toss the bag and store the toilet. It is not bolted down.

All this with a much bigger bed and no hit to range PLUS accommodating the range extender—for about 1/10th the cost!

 

[Crissa]

Ah resorting to ad hominems?? a sure sign of a poster with nothing relevant to offer…

Do you even know what an ad hominem is?

-Crissa

 

[CyberFreak]

Do you even know what an ad hominem is?

-Crissa

Why do you ask?

 

[Crissa]

Why do you ask?

Because you used that term out of context. There was no unprovoked attack on your character to undermine your argument in the text you responded to.

-Crissa

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