Cyberlandr Install

[CyberFreak]

Correct, I don't disagree there. It looks to me like the Cybertent was designed to fit above the range extender and that most of the functionality of the Cyberlandr could be cobbled together much more cheaply, though I struggle to see how that would be 10% the cost (maybe 20%).

The experience, however, would be very different. I don't think many considering something like a Cyberlandr are cross shopping a nice tent and a bunch of disparate equipment that all requires a lot more work to procure, transport, setup, use, and take down. And none of it gives you an HVAC controlled private hard sided area to hang out in (e.g. when the weather isn't cooperating).

Maybe, but by eliminating the option to include the range extender it significantly narrows their Addressable Market.

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[PVTesla]

Correct, I don't disagree there. It looks to me like the Cybertent was designed to fit above the range extender and that most of the functionality of the Cyberlandr could be cobbled together much more cheaply, though I struggle to see how that would be 10% the cost (maybe 20%).

The experience, however, would be very different. I don't think many considering something like a Cyberlandr are cross shopping a nice tent and a bunch of disparate equipment that all requires a lot more work to procure, transport, setup, use, and take down. And none of it gives you an HVAC controlled private hard sided area to hang out in (e.g. when the weather isn't cooperating).

I don´t view the Cyberlandr as a product for traditional camping. It is not large enough. Those who go "camping" are going to have a more elaborate set up. The Cyberlandr is a convenient room with all the modern amenities you can set up in minutes and use anywhere, including urban areas. So many use cases. Fits my lifestyle perfectly. Imagine a solo traveling salesperson.

 

[Giskard]

As mentioned I could afford it but would prefer the added range and bigger bed of a cyber tent. If I wanted more convenience I’d get a pebble which would not affect range and still allow use of my bed & range extender.

A Pebble appears to be about twice the cost of a Cyberlandr. And, yes, it has its own drivetrain so it doesn't affect range. But that also means you're going to have to charge it (in addition to your truck) every leg of a trip longer than the initial range of the truck. I imagine that's not going to be super easy or convenient.

And I do like the Pebble - it's just outside my price range and I'm very much looking forward to not having to travel with a trailer anymore. That opens up a lot more flexibility. All three of these options are great and will fit different people very well.

 

[Giskard]

I don´t view the Cyberlandr as a product for traditional camping. It is not large enough. Those who go "camping" are going to have a more elaborate set up. The Cyberlandr is a convenient room with all the modern amenities you can set up in minutes and use anywhere, including urban areas. So many use cases. Fits my lifestyle perfectly. Imagine a solo traveling salesperson.

I totally agree - it's just that it happens to fit nicely with the type of camping I like to do as well. I do intend to use mine for other purposes, too, like a mobile office when traveling or my own "guest house" when visiting family.

 

[otisanche]

They are estimating only a 5% range loss with the Cyberlander. Hoping the range on the CT improves by the time my # is called. I love the idea of the Cyberlander and CT combo. It’s a tiny house on wheels! Can’t wait to hear more on its progression. Thank you for sharing.

 

[Steele]

Your estimate of 5% corresponds with the lastest estimates from Cyberlandr offices, which is an impact of 5.-6 %. We will know more when the beta testing starts, but the current aerodynamic designs and weight estimates, I think that's quite accurate. As the Cyberlandr will also have some minor charging capacity, that may be enough to offset some of the loss, depending on where and how it's parked.

 

[Roger@CYBERTRUCKco]

I’m still wondering when they’re going to figure out that a 5 1/2 foot long sleeping area, or less, is not going to work for most people… And the shower is going to be the width of the tailgate?

I’m betting another company comes out with a lighter, bigger, more affordable option under $8k for the masses than this and space campers for the masses by the time the xtakeover together comes around end of July.

 

[cardad]

sounds like a good fit for use cases where you don’t plan to stay overnight…like I wrote not a huge market as most people don’t need an expensive changing shack…personally, if there’s no fresh water source near the surf site I just take a portable shower like the RinseKit Pro and a big towel. Does the job and the CT’s back seat with the seats folded up provides plenty of room for me change—and I’m 6-2”.

as for proximity to charging stations, you missed the point…the limited range of the CyberTruck with the added “changing shack” will result in having to stop roughly 4x more with this kit vs trailing a self-powered trailer like the Pebble w/Range Extender.

I’m sure there are some unique people who don’t mind having to stop every ~80 minutes to charge, but I’d bet the number who would prefer the flexibility of only 1 stop in ~7hours make up more than 90% of the potential market.

Unless they address the “fatal flaw” this is doomed to fail.

Your numbers are complete fiction. Do you even own a CT? Because charging once in 7 hours is comically unlikely with even normal conditions. I drove 1100 miles and needed to charge at least 4 or 5 times and never to 100 because that would have been even more time spent charging. Your qualifications to comment on this seem dubious.

As interesting as the Pebble might be conceptually in practice it is going to be comically difficult to charge with that thing. Anyone that has conceived of towing with an EV understands the fundamental difficulty. I recently considered towing a tiny uhaul over the 1100 mile trip and the idea of needing to unhook it and sort out the logistics at every charging stop were enough to convince me not to do it. The Pebble and Lightstream are great concepts but they don’t fix the reality of needing to unhook your trailer a million times on every trip especially with the CT’s terrible range and charge curve.

 

[cardad]

we don’t need to know the precise number to know the range will be drastically reduced…. based on the hit to range reported by owners who had cargo bed payloads near max capacity (which by all accounts this kit will approach) the range will likely be cut in half…

You literally have no idea how weight affects range. Aerodynamic drag has a considerably more significant effect than weight. Weight only affects range on acceleration and climbing. And then the descent will compensate. I had a fully loaded bed and backseat on my entire 1100 miles trip recently and have the range numbers to show you. The idea that you think the range will drop by half because of a heavy load in the bed is absurd,

 

[Crissa]

If you think the Cybertruck has 100 mile range, then you think the range extender only gets you 56 miles.

-Crissa

 

[cardad]

No way to get 200 miles with camp gear + the Kit + passengers especially on the TriMotor.

You seriously have no clue dude. I have 3 Rivians and an Ioniq 5 and done multiple cross country trips fully loaded and drive 200+ miles one way sometime more than once a week. There are no EVs that can realistically handle much more than 200 miles with elevation gain but the CT should be fine without any added drag. I frequently drive 230 miles one way with no charging stops in a Rivian or Ioniq 5 with no consideration for the amount of weight or cargo and the vehicles are usually fully loaded (people + cargo) and there is at least 5-6k ft elevation gain on the route (2k net gain one way means I need to charge once, 2k net loss no stop needed). Your numbers are 100% fiction.

Addiitonally, the weather is often cold, wet, or snowy (we are still getting snow) and the range hit with the cold isn’t even as insane as you have speculated.

 

[CyberFreak]

You seriously have no clue dude. I have 3 Rivians and an Ioniq 5 and done multiple cross country trips fully loaded and drive 200+ miles one way sometime more than once a week. There are no EVs that can realistically handle much more than 200 miles with elevation gain but the CT should be fine without any added drag. I frequently drive 230 miles one way with no charging stops in a Rivian or Ioniq 5 with no consideration for the amount of weight or cargo and the vehicles are usually fully loaded (people + cargo) and there is at least 5-6k ft elevation gain on the route (2k net gain one way means I need to charge once, 2k net loss no stop needed). Your numbers are 100% fiction.

Addiitonally, the weather is often cold, wet, or snowy (we are still getting snow) and the range hit with the cold isn’t even as insane as you have speculated.

Keep up with the anecdotal evidence….meanwhile the fact is you proved that you cannot comprehend what you read by completely disregarding the range extender—which was the crux of my entire argument against the likelihood of this Kit’s success….moreover, science wins over your anecdotes….I’ll wager anything you like that if you are gaining 5k ft with a payload of 1500lbs (approx weight of this Kit) your range will be severely impacted vs the same route without said 1500lbs. Care to bet?

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[JohnB007]

I personally find this solution very interesting.

We have been travelling (1-2 weeks long) in our Model Y, sleeping at various camp sites. It has been great, but we could use a toilet that we can use during the nights and a bit more wiggle room during bad weather days.

We are done camping in tents - we no longer feel the same setup we have been using for years are sufficient for many reasons. I guess we all age.

We stop every 200km to charge even right now, so 200 miles range is plenty for us. And I don't see us driving any longer distances as we get older. We can even travel further by taking more frequent breaks.

Your mileage may vary, but I'm sure there are many out there with similar needs as ours.

I hope Cyberlandr works out.

 

[gregg@sierranevada]

Maybe, but by eliminating the option to include the range extender it significantly narrows their Addressable Market.

As a member of the Cyberlandr Advisory Board, with Sandy Munro, Joe Justice and a couple of others, I thought I would weigh into the thread at this point. The current design does indeed eliminate the Tesla Range Extender. CyberLandr might offer an option for an extender but inasmuch as CyberLandr reduces the CyberTruck range by only 5% or so, due to exceptionally low drag, many of us will not need the range extender. This is because in the stored position CyberLandr is no higher than the CyberTruck roof line. The only effect on range is therefore the weight of CyberLandr, roughly 1,000 lbs.

My wife and I currently tow a teardrop trailer made by the Bean company with our 2018 Model X. The range of the X is currently about 250-275 miles. Our CyberBeast, when we get it, with CyberLandr will have TBD greater range than our X has currently. We do a lot of camping even with 250-275 mile range, in CA, NV, and UT.

the Bean teardrop trailer has a camper queen mattress inside which is comfortable for my wife and me and our dog. CyberLandr has a camper queen mattress also, but of much greater quality.

The Bean teardrop has an outside galley with a propane stove, but no toilet. CyberLandr has an inside galley and full bathroom inside. The Bean is like a Hobbit House on wheels, impossible to stand up inside. CyberLandr will deploy to an interior height of over 8 feet.

We all have different needs of course, but CyberLandr will be a big step up for us. Especially with the added benefit of the elimination of the overhead of towing a trailer.

 

[dfworders]

Can't wait to...
1. My cybertruck delivery
2. Trip to Austin for the cyberlandr install.

Hope I can get both done in 2024!!!!

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