"FSD is a few months away" for Cybertruck, says Elon Musk (5/9/24)

[HaulingAss]

Except this crap has been in Beta for 10+ and it’s going to be in beta another 10+ and we will be making the same excuse….. along with “for humanity” ??

“Needed” being the keyword. You don’t need it, use AP, it’s good enough.

It sounds like you're just freaking out that Tesla has almost fully solved FSD. It works really well now, almost ready for no driver with a few more iterations.

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[HaulingAss]

I’m still under the “I’ll believe it when it see it” mentality for FSD on the Cybertruck

FSD will come to Cybertruck sometime this year, the primary remaining question is whether it will be as skilled and feature rich as FSD on the other models of Tesla.

 

[HaulingAss]

Well, with how Elon is with timelines, I fear we don’t see it till 2025. Hope like he’ll I’m wrong.

Elon and Tesla bring things to market that legacy companies would take 10-20 times as long, if ever. The only problem is Elon thinks his teams are 20-40 times as fast as legacy auto!

 

[getsometom]

FSD will come to Cybertruck sometime this year, the primary remaining question is whether it will be as skilled and feature rich as FSD on the other models of Tesla.

I like your positivity and hope you’re right.

 

[CyberGus]

Elon and Tesla bring things to market that legacy companies would take 10-20 times as long

“We turn the impossible into the late.” - Elon Musk

 

[Darthamerica]

It sounds like you're just freaking out that Tesla has almost fully solved FSD. It works really well now, almost ready for no driver with a few more iterations.

I wouldn’t go that far. I think FSD is really good but it has a long way to go before it reaches “driverless” in a way that will satisfy regulators.

Being vision based, we’re asking a computer to “look” at the world, correctly interpret it, and then make decisions. That’s a lot different from using things like ultrasonic sensors, radars, lidar to create virtual rails.

I think it can and will be done, but I would not be surprised if it takes longer. Rather than “Full Self Driving” I think we will have “Supervised Self Driving” for most driving scenarios.

 

[HaulingAss]

I wouldn’t go that far. I think FSD is really good but it has a long way to go before it reaches “driverless” in a way that will satisfy regulators.

Being vision based, we’re asking a computer to “look” at the world, correctly interpret it, and then make decisions. That’s a lot different from using things like ultrasonic sensors, radars, lidar to create virtual rails.

I think it can and will be done, but I would not be surprised if it takes longer. Rather than “Full Self Driving” I think we will have “Supervised Self Driving” for most driving scenarios.

That's what we already have, Supervised FSD. The remaining question is when it can be used without supervision. I'm more optimistic than you because I see the rate at which compute is increasing, and the training data to feed it.

 

[Darthamerica]

That's what we already have, Supervised FSD. The remaining question is when it can be used without supervision. I'm more optimistic than you because I see the rate at which compute is increasing, and the training data to feed it.

I appreciate your optimism. However FSD isn’t compute constrained at this point. The most powerful super computer would struggle to do what Tesla is trying to do with FSD.

At this point, AI based autonomous vehicles are limited by the capabilities of the AI itself and training data for a near infinite number of corner cases. That’s why it’s still necessary to have human supervision and the ability to intervene in an emergency.

I think Tesla’s could already operate autonomously. But I do not believe, outside of some limited scenarios, safety standards and regulations are mature enough for what people really want.

So to answer your question directly, I don’t know when FSD will happen. But I don’t think it’s going to be soon. That’s just an experience based opinion and I’d be thrilled if Tesla proved me wrong!

 

[TexasRaider]

What up with ALL of the phantom braking and incorrect speed limits?! (Just took a 1700 mile roadtrip.) I won’t be doing that again for awhile.

 

[Darthamerica]

What up with ALL of the phantom braking and incorrect speed limits?! (Just took a 1700 mile roadtrip.) won’t be doing that again for awhile.

Good point… nowhere near ready for unsupervised and still a bit dangerous when supervised. Tesla will eventually solve that but not yet.

 

[TexasRaider]

I like your positivity and hope you’re right.

If we go off the performance of the cruise control compared to other models - no.
After driving 2,000+ miles, I have to say that it’s worse than my 2017 MS that I’ve drove over 120k miles so far. It almost feels like the CT is learning its own way. For example, the speed limit signs are correct in my 2017 MS but my CT doesn’t. Not sure why. (I know it is a separate issue, but it shows my point.)
Discussion welcomed, of course. - Just my experience so far.

 

[SteelMyHeart]

If we go off the performance of the cruise control compared to other models - no.
After driving 2,000+ miles, I have to say that it’s worse than my 2017 MS that I’ve drove over 120k miles so far. It almost feels like the CT is learning its own way. For example, the speed limit signs are correct in my 2017 MS but my CT doesn’t. Not sure why. (I know it is a separate issue, but it shows my point.)
Discussion welcomed, of course. - Just my experience so far.

I think the TACC is not as good as my 2023 model Y. The camera incorrectly puts cars behind the truck while I am in park and on two lane roads if the other car is hugging center line going opposite direction the truck will brake hard right after car passes by.

I think the camera environment is evolving slowly and I do feel as well like fsd and autopilot seem to be independent of rest of fleet. I pretty much know they aren't but it sure feels that way.

 

[CyberGus]

I think it's pretty clear that the Autopilot software in the Cybertruck is a placeholder until V12 is ready.

 

[Sjohnson20]

I just got the newest fsd in my model y. Wow I am impressed. I drove the same route that I have before with the old fsd. They fixed 4 problem spots. It’s still way too slow to make a left from a stop sign into traffic. But overall much better.

 

[HaulingAss]

I just got the newest fsd in my model y. Wow I am impressed. I drove the same route that I have before with the old fsd. They fixed 4 problem spots. It’s still way too slow to make a left from a stop sign into traffic. But overall much better.

I had a new FSD update in my Performance Model 3 weeks ago that I still haven't tried out. The Model 3 is neglected. Why? Because the Cybertruck is too much fun to drive!

Don't get me wrong, the Model 3 outperforms the Cybertruck from a driving/handling/performance perspective, but the Cybertruck is something else. So smooth and composed, especially as the roads become more rugged.

I do miss FSD, but not enough to make me drive the Model 3.

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