For Those Waiting for Non-FS Cybertrucks -- Here's the Flip Side to Consider

[NSCyber]

Don't want FSD, white interior, Powershare, and some of the other minor things like L hooks and d rings.

I do qualify for tax incentive and will pay less state tax for every dollar knocked off the price. Im looking at savings of $29.2k for non fs

Those that bought FS keep posting threads like this to justify their purchase. Probably a good amount of FS buyers can't really afford it comfortably either as evidenced by the amount who finance in this sky high interest environment.

Its too funny for the gotta have it crowd to be lecturing others when any sane person can see the bottom is about to fall out

No one really knows what a tesla is going to do or when but when was the last time tesla lowered the price of one of their cars by $20k? Specially after 6-9 months from the release?

it says it online that the price is an “estimate”. Really that simple.

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[Gurule92]

Included in a Founders Cyberbeast

Only thing I would honestly want in that list is FSD and all weather mats

 

[Gurule92]

No one really knows what a tesla is going to do or when but when was the last time tesla lowered the price of one of their cars by $20k? Specially one that was released 6-9 months ago when said price reduction will take place?

it says it online that the price is an “estimate”. Really that simple.

The difference is, Tesla isnt lowering the price of the vehicle. Theyre are just not including a bunch of nonsense with it anymore.

FS is an option pack at 20k

 

[rizvend]

There's been a broad perception that the Foundation Series gives us a single substantial feature - Full Self-Driving - and a handful of minor things. The balance of the $20K upcharge being a "tax" for being able to get a Cybertruck early.

The flip side of that perception is that when non-FS trucks arrive, they'll simply be like the FS vehicles, lacking only FSD and badging. And with the $7.5K Federal Incentive on top of the $20K reduction in price, the value proposition of that non-FS truck is going to be vastly better.

It's gonna be a little more complicated.

When you peer more closely at all those "minor" things included with the FS, it starts to become clear that that non-FS-truck-that-qualifies-for-the-$7.5K-Federal-Incentive is going to be quite a bit different from the FS trucks. And not having FSD is the least of it, since FSD can always be purchased after-the-fact, or by subscription.

Optional upgrades I think we can reasonably expect on non-FS trucks:

• 20" Cyber Wheels w/35" AT Tires: $4,000
• White Decor: $1,000
• FSD: $7,000 - $8,000 (can be dismissed since it can be bought later)
• Premium Connectivity will Require Subscription ($100 $10/mo)
• Premium Audio: $1,000
• Heated/Cooled Ventilated Front Seats: $1,000

Some of these will probably be combined. But the bottom line is that none of them, save FSD, can be had without bumping the base price of an AWD non-FS model above the $80K threshold for the Federal Incentive. If you want that incentive you'll have to forego any upgrades.

For many, losing the bigger wheels and AT tires is a squinty-eyed moment. Because for a lot of "truck things," they're strongly encouraged.

The premium connectivity is easy to dismiss because, hey, what's a hundred bucks a month? But that alone, over ten years, would be worth $10,000 $1,000.

Subscribe to FSD over that same ten year ownership and it's over ten grand.

That wonderful audio system that everyone talks about? You'll lose some of that.

And after enjoying heated seats on my Model 3, that Heated/Cooled Ventilated Seat option no longer strikes me as an affectation. I'd really hate to not have that.

The bottom line is that the Foundation Series Cybertruck really is a better value than a lot of people have given it credit for. Doesn't mean it's any more approachable. A hundred grand is a whole lot more than most of us have ever spent on a vehicle. But compared to the option-upgrade pricing that's coming on the non-FS vehicles, the FS trucks come off looking pretty good.

Subscribe to FSD over the usual financing period of 72 months... $7128 against your 8,000 purchase. Whatever makes me feel better about my purchase! ?? check my math.

 

[Mini2nut]

The code suggests all existing tire options are 35"

I hope that’s true. I assumed they would make 33” tires standard on the AWD and RWD trims.

 

[NSCyber]

The difference is, Tesla isnt lowering the price of the vehicle. Theyre are just not including a bunch of nonsense with it anymore.

FS is an option pack at 20k

I think someone on here calculated that the pack is around $14k with FSD. I just can’t see them going down to $80k when they can get people to bite at $86k-90k starting price for those that don’t want white interior + 35” tires.

if they make an additional $5k per car at 1,500 cars a week that’s an additional $7.5m a week! Only time will tell what they chose to do.

 

[Giskard]

One aspect of the FS vs. non-FS calculation I haven't seen in this thread is the possibility that the FSD-for-life package may not be an option in the future. I'm kind of surprised Tesla hasn't already gone to a subscription only model already. I have no special insight or inside knowledge if that will be a thing, but it makes sense to me given Elon's past statements about how much of a pain it is for them to manage them (he even mentioned it briefly at the shareholder's meeting last night when someone asked about one more quarter to transfer to a new car). Not to mention the progress being made post v12.

This was one of the factors that nudged me to order my FS truck, though not the biggest one of course. As OP mentioned initially, if you expect to get your truck with most/all of the options included in the FS package the delta between getting it now and waiting for a non-FS version isn't high (def nowhere near $20k).

 

[Gurule92]

I think someone on here calculated that the pack is around $14k with FSD. I just can’t see them going down to $80k when they can get people to bite at $86k-90k starting price for those that don’t want white interior + 35” tires.

if they make an additional $5k per car at 1,500 cars a week that’s an additional $7.5m a week! Only time will tell what they chose to do.

For sure. I do think the possibility of not going to 79k exists. But I really hope they do

 

[Balthezor]

It's not necessarily that they can't, it's that they don't want to pay $20k more for less than $20k of value...
We wanted Beast earlier and we ordered when the $4k installation credit for Powershare was a thing.
However, it was still a (slight) premium over the actual options recieved and we didn't need the lightbar nor all terrain tires (assuming those are a cost up).

If buyers don't need/want permanent FSD (subscription may be sufficient) the value proposition really isn't there. Especially now without installation credit, or if they already have WC + Powerwall.

Were AWD to qualify for for the Clean Vehicle Credit, that is an even bigger delta for a base vehicle that can be upgraded later.

Still has installation credit. I got the survey 3 days ago.

 

[mongo]

Still has installation credit. I got the survey 3 days ago.

Was that on a recent order?

 

[Balthezor]

Was that on a recent order?

April 30

 

[CyberTW]

Don't want FSD, white interior, Powershare, and some of the other minor things like L hooks and d rings.

I do qualify for tax incentive and will pay less state tax for every dollar knocked off the price. Im looking at savings of $29.2k for non fs

Those that bought FS keep posting threads like this to justify their purchase. Probably a good amount of FS buyers can't really afford it comfortably either as evidenced by the amount who finance in this sky high interest environment.

Its too funny for the gotta have it crowd to be lecturing others when any sane person can see the bottom is about to fall out

That’s awesome that you are saving so much money! A lot of people should and do wait with those kinds of tax savings
I do think your tone is very unfair to many on here. It has a lot of implications and projections that I think you don’t know a lot of peoples motivations, situations etc. maybe that is out of frustration, or some of the bad apples on here.
But if we take your argument farther, no one should be buying a 72k truck. It would be just as easy to find a good working truck for under 20k that solves many use cases and saves a ton of money even though using gas..

I have my reasons why I want to get the truck. I am budgeted for it, but it isn’t a good investment (though I value the FSD higher than you). I am ok with that because I never spent much money at all for 40 years. Cheap cars, pay them off.. my teslas 1 year ago were the first new cars I have ever bought , and I am hooked. So I want a CT and if I can it earlier through Foundation for all my family fun this summer and on, then I am pulling the trigger.
I am not justifying my purchase nor should you have to justify you waiting. I hope it all works out for you and that you absolutely love your choice.

 

[mongo]

April 30

Ok, that's before either of the working changes I logged for Powershare. Did you happen to screenshot the configuration page with Cyberbeast selected before ordering?

 

[Balthezor]

Ok, that's before either of the working changes I logged for Powershare. Did you happen to screenshot the configuration page with Cyberbeast selected before ordering?

no I did not. I wish I did! When did you order?

 

[CarMan ElecTruck]

Good and interesting convo here. The exact reason why I’ve been saying FS is nothing really special or limited… you can pay more to add most of thieves items.. A true limited feature means that of which you can not choose from an options list for other trim-levels or configurations..

granted a discounted trip is always nice for certain features, IF I was actually interested in the discounted features..

Mercedes Software Optioned (I don’t know if they still do) the Rear Steer on the EQS, which did not get good praise from the masses… This is really the only thing I could see Tesla choosing to ‘limit’ and still be competitive..

The others (premium audio, cooled heated seats, low-med-high suspension settings, AutoPilot, folding mirrors.. etc) are pretty much a must-have to stay competitive.

the OffRoad App may be poised well to being a premium option also for normal trucks..

$0.02

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