Turn signal idea for 3D printers or accessory vendors.

[Stuck4ger]

We should be able to reprogram the buttons so we can swap the right to the. Right button the the yolk…

I love it just like it is, I don’t want to have to put my right hand on the wheel to signal right. Seriously, it took me about 5 seconds to get used to it and I’ve been driving for 50 years.

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[Derektsla]

I don't like the turn signal as well, i need to look at it to make sure when i need to press, at least 3 weeks 1300 miles after, my muscle memory is still not be build up yet. I know the design made the whole thing more clean but not very convenient.

it took me over 2 months to stop looking at the buttons to make sure. But now I’m good and press them without thinking. It just takes a lot of time to remap your brain!

 

[Pops]

It looks like someone has built stalk replacements for the Highland Model 3, S and X. Its possible they will do the same for the CT.

Just like any accessory, customizing your car to your preference is an awesome option to have.

https://insideevs.com/news/723759/tesla-model-3-highland-stalks/

 

[Stuck4ger]

It looks like someone has built stalk replacements for the Highland Model 3, S and X. Its possible they will do the same for the CT.

Just like any accessory, customizing your car to your preference is an awesome option to have.

https://insideevs.com/news/723759/tesla-model-3-highland-stalks/

Wow, what’s next, add on round dials and gauges because that’s what they’re used to? Let’s scab on those foot switches for high beams like my old cars had!

 

[Woodrick]

It looks like someone has built stalk replacements for the Highland Model 3, S and X. Its possible they will do the same for the CT.

Just like any accessory, customizing your car to your preference is an awesome option to have.

https://insideevs.com/news/723759/tesla-model-3-highland-stalks/

I assume that you have already

Wow, what’s next, add on round dials and gauges because that’s what they’re used to? Let’s scab on those foot switches for high beams like my old cars had!

I really want the starter back on the floor, where the starter started!

 

[Pops]

Wow, what’s next, add on round dials and gauges because that’s what they’re used to? Let’s scab on those foot switches for high beams like my old cars had!

Lets ignore the concept of time for one second. Imagine there are 2 products on the table in front of you. One will be better than the other correct? Or at least you will prefer one over the other.

Just because 2 clicky buttons on the steering wheel are the NEW way it is being done by a single carmaker, doesn't mean its better.

Is it outside the realm of your consideration that physical toggles and switches are easier to use and therefore better than a couple of flat buttons with minimal feedback?

Tesla only made this design choice because its cheaper to produce, not because its better.

EDIT: Just noticed you are a pilot. How would you like all of your physical controls in a plane to be replaced with flat featureless buttons?

 

[Stuck4ger]

Lets ignore the concept of time for one second. Imagine there are 2 products on the table in front of you. One will be better than the other correct? Or at least you will prefer one over the other.

Just because 2 clicky buttons on the steering wheel are the NEW way it is being done by a single carmaker, doesn't mean its better.

Is it outside the realm of your consideration that physical toggles and switches are easier to use and therefore better than a couple of flat buttons with minimal feedback?

Tesla only made this design choice because its cheaper to produce, not because its better.

EDIT: Just noticed you are a pilot. How would you like all of your physical controls in a plane to be replaced with flat featureless buttons?

I was in a rental Hyundai yesterday. They had large round dial speedometer and tachometer right in front of you like a conventional car but they were electronic and simply mimicked older conventional gauges. But when you signaled left the speedometer showed the left blindspot camera video with digital speed at the top. If you signaled right the tachometer showed the right blindspot camera with digital RPM. It was actually pretty cool and functional but not enough for me to want to replicate it in my Tesla as I like the overall Tesla vehicle much more. I like the Model X two screen displays but the driver's instrument panel display is not a touch screen and it's harder to change some of the functions than if I was in a Model 3/Y or CT. I just have to learn to adapt to the design compromises.

Regarding your second point, that is essentially where modern fighters have gone but with myriad buttons on the stick and throttle to select critical functions without having to reach and touch anything on the screens. Like most things it's a huge step forward but some minor steps back. It's all a compromise.

 

[Woodrick]

Lets ignore the concept of time for one second. Imagine there are 2 products on the table in front of you. One will be better than the other correct? Or at least you will prefer one over the other.

Just because 2 clicky buttons on the steering wheel are the NEW way it is being done by a single carmaker, doesn't mean its better.

Is it outside the realm of your consideration that physical toggles and switches are easier to use and therefore better than a couple of flat buttons with minimal feedback?

Tesla only made this design choice because its cheaper to produce, not because its better.

EDIT: Just noticed you are a pilot. How would you like all of your physical controls in a plane to be replaced with flat featureless buttons?

No, just because it's different doesn't make it better.

But Tesla design team does a great job of making better.

Picking on a pilot was a bad move on your part. Most planes have moved to glass cockpits in which the vast majority of things are now indeed fake buttons on the screen, not even real buttons.
It provides so much more capability than the "real" buttons ever did.

No, Tesla didn't make this design choice because it was cheaper to produce, that's only what the cry babies say. They made the change because it's a better design.

Let's look in an auto market where good ole shifting is extremely important, auto racing. It's just a button on the steering wheel. Moving the hands from the steering wheel, even extending a finger, is inefficient.

I find it a much more elegant design. You may not have even noticed that there's no half-down like older turn signals had, the one that you used when changing lanes. That's because Tesla actually looks for you to change lanes before turning the signal off.

You may also complain about the shifter not on the column and as a "Tesla did this just to save money" and again, that's wrong.
It is so awesome to get in the car, put my seat belt on and press the accelerator to move forward or back as appropriate, with the new auto-shift option.

And remember Tesla's ultimate goal.

Remove the entire steering wheel when not desired!

 

[Pops]

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I find it a much more elegant design. You may not have even noticed that there's no half-down like older turn signals had, the one that you used when changing lanes. That's because Tesla actually looks for you to change lanes before turning the signal off.

You may also complain about the shifter not on the column and as a "Tesla did this just to save money" and again, that's wrong.
It is so awesome to get in the car, put my seat belt on and press the accelerator to move forward or back as appropriate, with the new auto-shift option.
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Both of those pros you mentioned have nothing to do with the physical control. The car can still stop the turn signal using vision even if it had a stalk. It could also shift gears automatically with a stalk. There are cars that do this when you remove your seat belt, they shift to park.

Yes Tesla removed the stalks to save money, the stalks did not prevent those enhancements.

At issue here is 1 physical control (stalk) vs another (buttons). Both work, I feel one is superior. Nothing was gained by removing the stalks.

 

[Woodrick]

Both of those pros you mentioned have nothing to do with the physical control. The car can still stop the turn signal using vision even if it had a stalk. It could also shift gears automatically with a stalk. There are cars that do this when you remove your seat belt, they shift to park.

Yes Tesla removed the stalks to save money, the stalks did not prevent those enhancements.

At issue here is 1 physical control (stalk) vs another (buttons). Both work, I feel one is superior. Nothing was gained by removing the stalks.

Think of it as you may.

Be an old fart. It's not as if your username basically says so.

Even my wife switched back to her Model Y and made a comment on how antiquated the stalks felt.

Maybe they do save money, that makes it a win-win in my book. less money, better functionality.

Most people get used to it in the time that you've taken to complain about it. It becomes second nature pretty quick, if you don't cuss at it each time you use it!

 

[Stuck4ger]

I love it just like it is, I don’t want to have to put my right hand on the wheel to signal right. Seriously, it took me about 5 seconds to get used to it and I’ve been driving for 50 years.

What I did do was take a hard look at it and feel the ridge separating left from right and then operated it both left and right and made a mental note of how it felt. I don’t move my thumb tip, I use the tip to signal right and the base to signal left.

And then I turned the wheel 180 degrees so it was reversed and told myself “the left is now on top and the right is on the bottom; yep, that makes sense.”

Just that bit of conscious thought and visualization was all it took.

 

[Pops]

Think of it as you may.

Be an old fart. It's not as if your username basically says so.

Even my wife switched back to her Model Y and made a comment on how antiquated the stalks felt.

Maybe they do save money, that makes it a win-win in my book. less money, better functionality.

Most people get used to it in the time that you've taken to complain about it. It becomes second nature pretty quick, if you don't cuss at it each time you use it!

Ha! Its clear someone lost an augment when they resort to ad hominem attacks =)

As of yet you have failed to explain how the functionality has been improved. The functionality is exactly the same, the physical controls are different. Human does 1 thing blinker goes left, human does another thing blinker go right!

Are you against accessories in cars? Should all vehicles be used only in the way the carmaker designed them? That seems to be your position.

I guess that means you are against 3rd party:

• Phone holders
• Floor mats
• Window shades
• Silicone cup holders
• Ambient lighting
• Steering wheel covers
• etc...

I didn't make the thread to complain, I made it to suggest an idea for an accessory. If no one wants to take it on and do an example of a 3D printed solution or professionally produced one than I will do one myself and post a video. Don't worry I will sell you one of the first ones!

 

[Woodrick]

As of yet you have failed to explain how the functionality has been improved. The functionality is exactly the same, the physical controls are different. Human does 1 thing blinker goes left, human does another thing blinker go right!

And again, you prove my point! Stalks don't go left and right, they go up and down. Your stubborn mind has learned that it means left and right, but it isn't!

 

[digitalboi]

I was thinking something more simple like a raised sticker so you can "feel" the button and like a brail thing.... one dot for left two for right or vice versa...

 

[Pops]

And again, you prove my point! Stalks don't go left and right, they go up and down. Your stubborn mind has learned that it means left and right, but it isn't!

Huh? Where did I say stalks move left and right?

Steering wheels do not go left or right as well, they rotate. Are you suggesting we use a Ouija board to drive instead of a wheel?

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