TESLA SHOULD CANCEL THE CYBERTRUCK

[Ogre]

See, this is great. Not being a truck dude I don't know this stuff. So CT haters say "it won't sell because you can't load over the side" and I'm like "well, shit maybe, but the only stuff I side load is dodgy apps on my android phone". I had noticed though when I'm standing next to a lot of trucks that it seems a long way up, so I always scratched my head and assumed truck owners are just of above average height but then they could likely reach over the CT sides too. Anyway, good to know.

He is *mostly* right. If you are talking about a big F150 with lift and big sidewalls, you are SOL.

But this is a shot of our truck on a trip a couple years ago.

This is something I do fairly often. You load/ unload bikes over the sidewall with one person standing in the bed and the other handing the bike up or grabbing it. Having access to the truck bed up near the front is quite nice for this kind of loading because you can adjust straps. There is also a lot of space where you can load gear in between bikes up by the front tires. If you can’t reach over the sidewall, that space is no longer useful.

You couldn’t load the Rivian up this way though because the bed is too short. The Rivian does however have a rack with bike mounts which sits above the bed. The Cybertruck also won’t be able to accommodate a rack line that.

What the Cybertruck *does* have is a vault that closes and lets me tuck my $5000+ Bikes under the lid. Which ultimately won me over versus the flexibility of the classic truck bed. It also has the sail pillar storage which makes up for a lot of the utility I got tucking things in near the cab.

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[Deleted member 3316]

See, this is great. Not being a truck dude I don't know this stuff. So CT haters say "it won't sell because you can't load over the side" and I'm like "well, shit maybe, but the only stuff I side load is dodgy apps on my android phone". I had noticed though when I'm standing next to a lot of trucks that it seems a long way up, so I always scratched my head and assumed truck owners are just of above average height but then they could likely reach over the CT sides too. Anyway, good to know.

You are moving the goal posts. If standing inside the bed, of course you can throw stuff over the side to the ground. The Cybertruck is not going to stop you either. I don't know why you bring up your Toyota, I was referring to the F-150, Cybertruck's largest competitor by sales. It has VERY high bed sides in the 4x4 model (the one almost everyone gets). Then a lot of owners install lift kits to make them 2" higher. You can't get them with adjustable height suspension like every Cybertruck comes with and, even at 6'-04" I find it impractical to side load it (the F-150 4x4). That means standing on the ground, not inside the bed.

People who are making a big deal about the sail sides preventing side-loading don't understand how trucks are used. If it's an issue, then it's an issue the F-150 has as well. And it's the best selling pick-up in North America, which is Cybertrucks primary market. In other words, most truck buyers don't care about ease of side-loading because it's not something they typically do.

Maybe the ability to add a flat bed tray is the sole advantage of the F-150. Would hardly make a dent in Cybertruck sales though. Being able to kick a hay bale off the side is one use case.
People use their trucks in a variety of weird and wonderful ways, I’m pretty sure there’s room in the market for everyone, but it’s pretty clear Tesla is going to win the volume competition.

 

[Ogre]

Maybe the ability to add a flat bed tray is the sole advantage of the F-150. Would hardly make a dent in Cybertruck sales though. Being able to kick a hay bale off the side is one use case.
People use their trucks in a variety of weird and wonderful ways, I’m pretty sure there’s room in the market for everyone, but it’s pretty clear Tesla is going to win the volume competition.

Nobody is going to be able to catch Tesla in terms of production capacity for 3-4 years. But there is a lot of versatility you lose out on with the Cybertruck’s one-size fits all approach.

The Cybertruck has it’s own storage solutions which are awesome, but it lacks a bit of the “Make it into the vehicle you want” thing that a pickup has.

 

[tidmutt]

Nobody is going to be able to catch Tesla in terms of production capacity for 3-4 years. But there is a lot of versatility you lose out on with the Cybertruck’s one-size fits all approach.

The Cybertruck has it’s own storage solutions which are awesome, but it lacks a bit of the “Make it into the vehicle you want” thing that a pickup has.

The design though does provide better aerodynamics... which is in part why I think Tesla can undercut pricing of the other automakers. Better aero means more range for a given battery pack, plus all the other things like 4680s, mega-castings and so on. Will Tesla's advantage in production speed rumored for the Y and the 3 of 10 hours vs 30 hours for a VW ID4 apply to the truck too?

The other question is will they just charge higher prices because they can. I am touching on the pricing topic from another thread.

 

[SwampNut]

The masses always see change as a negative. I've spent the last 30-some years of my life being paid to drag people kicking and screaming into new technologies and new processes. Change is good.

 

[Ogre]

The masses always see change as a negative. I've spent the last 30-some years of my life being paid to drag people kicking and screaming into new technologies and new processes. Change is good.

I don’t think any of us would be seriously looking at the Cybertruck if were weren’t ok with change.

That said, it’s useful to realize that change often comes with some compromises.

Seems like an awful lot of Kool Aid drinking going on where people want to hand-wave limitations or downsides.

 

[Deleted member 3316]

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The Cybertruck has it’s own storage solutions which are awesome, but it lacks a bit of the “Make it your own “

People are resourceful I’m pretty sure those with an angle grinder and welder will find ways to make it their own.

And if they’re in the 85th percentile they can try a Rivian, Bollinger, Ford, Altlis (or … Nikola … for people that like to just dream of owning a truck.)
I’m looking forward to the YouTubers cutting up their Cybertruck to put on a flat bed or whatever solution to their specific use case.
(Emergency services, farming, rock crawling… )

Cybertruck could become the new Unimog….

 

[Ogre]

People are resourceful I’m pretty sure those with an angle grinder and welder will find ways to make it their own.

Hopefully they will tread carefully, the sail pillar is structural.

It would be interesting to see what you can do if you don’t care about towing or hauling 3500 pounds. Suddenly the structural needs of the truck change quite a bit.

I’m sure in 3-4 years we’ll see some crazy things done with Cybertrucks… some with disastrous results.

 

[SwampNut]

Seems like an awful lot of Kool Aid drinking going on where people want to hand-wave limitations or downsides.

I don't see any of that going on. And this truck isn't for everyone. My current truck is probably even for less of everyone. I get it.

 

[Sirfun]

Hopefully they will tread carefully, the sail pillar is structural.

It would be interesting to see what you can do if you don’t care about towing or hauling 3500 pounds. Suddenly the structural needs of the truck change quite a bit.

I’m sure in 3-4 years we’ll see some crazy things done with Cybertrucks… some with disastrous results.

This reminded me of my buddy in Las Vegas took an old Caddy and chopped the top off to make it a convertible. One MAJOR problem, it was a 4 door. The damn thing flexed so bad they had to weld all the doors shut! That was OK though easy entry with no top. Also he had Bull horns on the hood!
Edit: Look what I found with a search of bull horns on hood.

 

[Ogre]

I don't see any of that going on. And this truck isn't for everyone. My current truck is probably even for less of everyone. I get it.

No vehicle is for everyone, but the Cybertruck is absolutely a mass market truck.

Musk said: . "We've never seen this level of demand. I think we will sell as many as we can make for many years. It's going to be pretty nuts. I think actually the product is better than people realize even. They don't even have enough information to realize the awesomeness of it. It's just great."

Tesla is building a multi-billion dollar factory to produce hundreds of thousands per year. Make no mistake, this isn’t intended as a “niche” vehicle. It is a broadside fired right at the heart of the truck market. (And the large SUV market as well I’m sure)

 

[SwampNut]

It's so cute that he thinks he can dictate consumer demand/desire.

 

[happy intruder]

This guy is just some random blogger. Shouldn’t have reposted.

yea, he's from Big 3 (small) country

 

[HaulingAss]

He is *mostly* right. If you are talking about a big F150 with lift and big sidewalls, you are SOL.

No, I didn't buy the "big" F-150, I bought the regular 4x4 one. They don't make them in different sizes, they are all big. If you chose a RWD model they are a couple inches lower but not many people buy RWD only trucks. My F-150 is completely stock right down to the tire size and sideloading is not practical even though I'm 6'-04". Not many people are that tall so for 98% of the population, side loading is even harder than it is for me. I'm not sure why you keep painting this as a special case by saying only if the F-150 is extra big or and it is lifted and has big tires. No, it's every 4x4 F-150 they make. That's the most popular F-150 (4x4) of the most popular truck in America. So, it's not correct to say the fact that the Cybertruck's sail sides make side loading impractical. It's not different in this respect from what people are already buying in huge numbers.

The Cybertruck can use it's adjustable suspension to squat in the rear. But people won't be side loading it just like they don't side load the most popular truck in America.

But this is a shot of our truck on a trip a couple years ago.

Yeah, that's not a full-sized truck (while the Cybertruck is). It's MUCH smaller than the most popular truck in America. Maybe you are not familiar with modern full-sized trucks?

In any case, please stop the nonsense. Unless Tesla downsizes the release version (which I sort of doubt they will), it might be too big for the way you say you use a truck. People who have not seen the Cybertruck in person need to be aware that the truck they revealed is BIG truck. It's not for everyone.

 

[Crissa]

...but not many people buy RWD only trucks.

https://www.motor1.com/news/424798/all-wheel-drive-vehicle-sales/

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