About that Overhang…

[Ogre]

Was looking at some photos of the truck and noticed something. It’s been there all along, but I didn’t really think about it. The overhang might be 6-8” wide, but that’s from the rear window. The rear window is inset about 4-6 inches from the rear wall of the vault to accommodate the vault cover.

I think everyone is thinking about the overhang like the image on the left here. The reality is a bit more like the image on the right which puts the top of the overhang much more inline with the front of the vault rather than impinging more on the vault area.

Obviously not for scale, and it definitely looked like it will imping on the vault area some, just doesn’t seem like it will be as big a deal as it seemed at first.

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[Sirfun]

What does the red line represent? The back window has been between the passengers and the moving vault cover. Those drawings don't seem right. At the Petersen the Vault cover was partially up showing it in relation to the back window.

Here's my thoughts on how it was on the Petersen Prototype. The green line is my perspective. The Vault cover is never moving inside the passenger compartment that would be dangerous. Imagine a passengers' hair flying into that as it's moving.

 

[Ogre]

You illustrate better what I was trying to point out.

Just thinking the drama about Overhang is overdone.

 

[Sirfun]

You illustrate better what I was trying to point out.

Just thinking the drama about Overhang is overdone.

Thanks, it looks longer, probably for good reason. The extended roof overhang works like a brush to sweep off snow or debris. And you want it falling into the bed, not in the slot the vault cover goes into.

 

[Sirfun]

Here's that video, of the cover in action on the night of the reveal.

 

[cvalue13]

I think everyone is thinking about the overhang like the image on the left here. The reality is a bit more like the image on the right which puts the top of the overhang much more inline with the front of the vault rather than impinging more on the vault area.

not following

someone cared about the distance from the rear window to the rearmost edge of the overhang?


in terms of the separate matter of wondering about the encroachment over the bed floor (and so occluding the cargo area proper), the question is about the distance from the forward most edge of the bed, to the rearmost edge of the overhang

Here's my thoughts on how it was on the Petersen Prototype.

This area of the truck has gone though several changes since the Peterson prototype (and so the patent drawing).

The Peterson overhang is less, and its rear window is perpendicular to the ground, and the perpendicular portion of the bulkhead begins far nearer to the bed floor (in red below). Meaning in theory, the bulkhead itself leans less back towards the tailgate, the window itself leans no further to the tailgate, and the narrower eave/overhand is less.

In the pre-pro units, in contrast, the perpendicular portion of the bulkhead begins further from the bed floor (so may extend further back toward the tailgate), the rear window itself is now slanted further toward the tailgate, at an angle roughly equivalent to the bulkhead (in my opinion, to permit the window to roll down), and the eave/overhand is deeper.

no real sense comparing them though, as proportions are too different to extrapolate which bulkhead leans furthest back. For same reasons though, the Peterson doesn’t tell us much if anything s out the pre pro in this area of the truck

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[cvalue13]

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Obviously not for scale, …

Definitely not to scale having compressed the photo itself laterally so that everything appears to stack on top of itself

 

[FarAway]

Here's that video, of the cover in action on the night of the reveal.

Love that video! Seeing the cover in action is awesome, it is both fast and smooth.

On a side note, I REALLY like that that full length horizontal red tail-light/brake light much more than what we have seen in the newer models. It is iconic, while the newer version is simply mundane.

 

[FarAway]

Another thought/question.

Obviously, "fuel economy", (errr...maybe simply "mileage" is a better word?), will be greatly improved with the cover down. That is the configuration I would anticipate driving the CT "in" most of the time.

I will admit as a legacy vehicle driver I am heavily dependent on my windshield mounted rear view mirror. I have never even owned a vehicle with back up cameras. Is there a camera view of what the window mounted rear view mirror normally shows visible on the cockpit display full time when driving, or only when reversing?

I understand the side door mounted mirrors fill in for the windshield mirror when it is obscured. I actually think I could get used to cameras replacing those side mirrors fairly quickly. Just curious about the windshield mirror and that view.

 

[JBee]

I never made a fuss.

 

[ÆCIII]

All this cool stuff about the vault and tonneau cover roll-up!

When I first saw the word "Overhang" in the thread title, I was thinking it referred to Tesla's long-term focus being an emotional drag on Ross Gerber's and Gary Black's short term fund interests...

I was in for a pleasant surprise to read a conversation much more substantive!

- ÆCIII

 

[cvalue13]

Is there a camera view of what the window mounted rear view mirror normally shows visible on the cockpit display full time when driving, or only when reversing?

Early prototypes still have a rear view “mirror,” but it is a screen. Almost a certainty the release version will have/require the same

And BRW, even if the tonneau is up, any rear view *mirror* proper would still be effectively useless, so the screen will likely continue to be active even when the tonneau is up.

that’s not necessarily unique to the CT, in that even modern traditional trucks have rear view mirrors that have become near useless.

but the issue is amplified in the CT given it’s design, including the short rear window, the sail pillars, and the upsweeping tailgate. Collectively, a rear view *mirror* proper would be about as useless as tits on a boar

 

[Ogre]

Another thought/question.

Obviously, "fuel economy", (errr...maybe simply "mileage" is a better word?), will be greatly improved with the cover down. That is the configuration I would anticipate driving the CT "in" most of the time.

I will admit as a legacy vehicle driver I am heavily dependent on my windshield mounted rear view mirror. I have never even owned a vehicle with back up cameras. Is there a camera view of what the window mounted rear view mirror normally shows visible on the cockpit display full time when driving, or only when reversing?

I understand the side door mounted mirrors fill in for the windshield mirror when it is obscured. I actually think I could get used to cameras replacing those side mirrors fairly quickly. Just curious about the windshield mirror and that view.

I almost never use the center mirror. Most of the time when I get in the car it’s set for my wife and I don’t adjust it.

Lane changes are side mirrors plus camera view. Parking it’s mostly side mirrors with some reversing cam.

 

[Ogre]

someone cared about the distance from the rear window to the rearmost edge of the overhang?

The more the overhang protrudes into the vault, the more it’s in the way of large objects you might be hauling. Yes, people care about that.

The photo I used was not from the prototype, it’s not a stainless vault. Also much clearer than the potato can blurry one you used in your illustration.

 

[cvalue13]

The more the overhang protrudes into the vault, the more it’s in the way of large objects you might be hauling. Yes, people care about that.

I was referring to your drawings, which are from the patent that uses an illustration of the original prototype

The more the overhang protrudes into the vault, the more it’s in the way of large objects you might be hauling. Yes, people care about that.

I don’t understand what point you’re trying to make. That was *my* point to you.

referencing the photo below, your OP appears to be focused on the distance between the yellow line and the green line. Fine.

Regarding that distance, I personally believe your mental map is off, but that was besidea the point of my question.

because my question was all and only pointing out that it’s the distance between the below yellow line and green line is only a portion of the relevant issue. It’s the distance between the yellow line and the red line that determines the extent to which “the overhang protrudes into the vault, [and so is] in the way of large objects you might be hauling”

If “potato phone” photo is the sum of your critique, I don’t know why it doesn’t cut both ways for you

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