An encounter with a fireman

[hemiarch]

It's actually because I choose not to. Just like everyone else should. I give everyone the same opportunity and treat everyone equally until they prove unworthy without any regard to race or any other chosen affiliation. No one or group based on immutable traits should get special treatment. If there is a specific instance of someone being treated differently because of this, either positive or negative, I'm against it and will fight for equality, not equity. I think there's a much larger demand for racism than there's actual supply. We're over it.
No more of this... I'm excited for my PAWD!

Believe it or not we share that opinion. Most of it at least, apart from there being very little racism/sexism/classism/ageism or whatever other ism. I think most of it has moved into the realm of undertone which is much harder to root out. I think “choosing” to ignore it is a luxury not afforded to everyone unfortunately.
I absolutely love my PAWD. Best car I’ve ever driven by a mile.
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[CyberSauce]

I'm a volunteer firefighter and I'm very disappointed in this response.

1. If you need to open a door and the door handle doesn't work, you cut the doors. This is a frequent occurrence with side impacts on all kinds of vehicles regardless of powertrain.
2. If you need to get under the hood to depower a car (which you do to disable the airbags for ICE, too) you pop it with a spreader or go old school and use a Halligan tool, a six foot hook, whatever. "Oh no, I can't release it remotely" is nonsense.
3. I guarantee you I can get into the charge port in under 10 seconds with some leverage but there's absolutely zero reason to do so. That would be like trying to get into the gas fill port on an ICE.
4. True story. This is dumb.
5. Maybe he has witnessed 3 EV fires. But most firefighters aren't good with statistics. NTSB data show hybrids have the highest rate of fires, then gasoline, and electric are the lowest. As in 60 times less likely to have a fire.

Look, the fire service is a lot of old-school dudes (gender neutral term but it is male dominated) that have a very fixed mindset. Change is scary and it's also a pain in the ass because it means we have to learn new tools and techniques and be able to apply them in unfortunate circumstances. But that's literally why the fire service exists. Fortunately, the old boys club is slowly changing...

 

[hemiarch]

I'm a volunteer firefighter and I'm very disappointed in this response.

1. If you need to open a door and the door handle doesn't work, you cut the doors. This is a frequent occurrence with side impacts on all kinds of vehicles regardless of powertrain.
2. If you need to get under the hood to depower a car (which you do to disable the airbags for ICE, too) you pop it with a spreader or go old school and use a Halligan tool, a six foot hook, whatever. "Oh no, I can't release it remotely" is nonsense.
3. I guarantee you I can get into the charge port in under 10 seconds with some leverage but there's absolutely zero reason to do so. That would be like trying to get into the gas fill port on an ICE.
4. True story. This is dumb.
5. Maybe he has witnessed 3 EV fires. But most firefighters aren't good with statistics. NTSB data show hybrids have the highest rate of fires, then gasoline, and electric are the lowest. As in 60 times less likely to have a fire.

Look, the fire service is a lot of old-school dudes (gender neutral term but it is male dominated) that have a very fixed mindset. Change is scary and it's also a pain in the ass because it means we have to learn new tools and techniques and be able to apply them in unfortunate circumstances. But that's literally why the fire service exists. Fortunately, the old boys club is slowly changing...

Absolutely the kind of level headed response I was hoping for.

 

[roadrunner32]

It wasn’t you man. It was the guy with the thoughtless DEI comment who I’m not going to tag but you can just scroll up.
Didn’t mean to distract from your highly entertaining thread. Just certain things that grind my gears and that’s one of them.
Sounds like that fireman was a combination of only partially educated and maybe being a bit of a jerk.
I mean, you bought the car. How polite is it to tell someone who just got a haircut how you don’t like that style?


What did your wife think of the whole thing?

Not much.

 

[hemiarch]

Not much.

Sounds like my kind of woman too.

 

[roadrunner32]

Ace, do you remember Red Duke in Houston? We used to watch him on TV.

 

[hemiarch]

Ace, do you remember Red Duke in Houston? We used to watch him on TV.

I don’t remember him because I grew up in South Africa and that wasn’t in my television reach but I know of him. Houston is a fascinating city in terms of the history of medicine in general. Cooley and Debakey were my personal heroes for the vast majority of my young life.

 

[dpoll995]

Ace, do you remember Red Duke in Houston? We used to watch him on TV.

I remember Doctor Red Duke. I have lived in Houston since about 1983

 

[EasternSP]

I was up in Detroit a month ago and a few friends wandered over to my CT for a close up experience. One of them started the story stuff about EV fires. I grabbed him by the arm and pulled him back away from my truck with a panic look on my face and motioned the other two to back up too. Geeze dude, I had no idea. Thanks for warning me. Lets keep a safe distance then.
I kind of get annoyed with these naysayers of life who know of the terrible events that have happened because of.... Suddenly, when ya ask them for details like, place, date, names, etc. they get amnesia, and they get annoyed that ya doubt their stories.

 

[J.Graham]

It’s amazing how people are able to turn literally anything into a diversity slur and I would add shameful. You should be embarrassed. It’s 2026.
It’s this kind of shit that makes society give people the finger when they are driving a Cybertruck.
I’m starting to see where the blue haired people get the notion that you mix hate into literally any topic. Your comment is straight up bigotry no matter how you slice it. It doesn’t represent my opinion and I would argue the majority of the people in this forum.
How the fuck does this have anything to do with diversity?
I’m a trauma surgeon so I interact with this nonsense daily and I can tell you the vast majority of the bozos you’re describing are white guys that have been firemen for a very long time.
In fact, it’s typically the “I’m so experienced I don’t have to learn anything new” attitude that makes this happen.
Like any other industry.
Please use your head before you post shit that is offensive to everyone who doesn’t look like you.

So... I was trying to be funny and failed miserably. My intention wasn't to offend anyone and I apologize that it came off that way. The dei was just meant as incompetent, not as a racial slur. I obviously didn't think it through before posting because it's actually funnier if it's 3 burly figherfighters standing there. Anyway, you're right, I should have thought this through, my bad .

 

[REM]

It’s amazing how people are able to turn literally anything into a diversity slur and I would add shameful. You should be embarrassed. It’s 2026.
It’s this kind of shit that makes society give people the finger when they are driving a Cybertruck.
I’m starting to see where the blue haired people get the notion that you mix hate into literally any topic. Your comment is straight up bigotry no matter how you slice it. It doesn’t represent my opinion and I would argue the majority of the people in this forum.
How the fuck does this have anything to do with diversity?
I’m a trauma surgeon so I interact with this nonsense daily and I can tell you the vast majority of the bozos you’re describing are white guys that have been firemen for a very long time.
In fact, it’s typically the “I’m so experienced I don’t have to learn anything new” attitude that makes this happen.
Like any other industry.
Please use your head before you post shit that is offensive to everyone who doesn’t look like you.

https://www.facebook.com/TJMoe28/videos/dei-firefighters/573410925666248/

There have been entire institutions created to slap white men in the face, so I'm sure this kind of trope is what he's referring to.

Racism towards whites is hitting a fever pitch, so I don't think we want to be lectured anymore.

 

[hemiarch]

So... I was trying to be funny and failed miserably. My intention wasn't to offend anyone and I apologize that it came off that way. The dei was just meant as incompetent, not as a racial slur. I obviously didn't think it through before posting because it's actually funnier if it's 3 burly figherfighters standing there. Anyway, you're right, I should have thought this through, my bad .

No worries man. Takes a big man to admit that. Apologies for the strong reaction. It was preloaded with the spring of frustration about what people feel has become allowable languagewise nowadays given leadership’s err…unconventional approach to minorities.

 

[hemiarch]

https://www.facebook.com/TJMoe28/videos/dei-firefighters/573410925666248/

There have been entire institutions created to slap white men in the face, so I'm sure this kind of trope is what he's referring to.

Racism towards whites is hitting a fever pitch, so I don't think we want to be lectured anymore.

“We” never did. But it’s not really a question of what we want. This is the reality we inherited from our parents unfortunately.
Fair? Maybe not. Parents being punished for children’s crimes and children suffering for the sins of the parents, that’s a contentious issue.
Justified? Probably.
Data doesn’t typically lie. Only how it’s presented.
As for said “entire institutions”, they were not created to slap us in the face, they were created because the change we all know is the right thing to do towards equality was frustratingly slow to come despite social consensus.
I think seeing that as “about you” is the wrong conclusion to draw, frankly. Even more so the “slap in the face” part.
The police force and prison system aren’t about slapping anyone in the face, they are about enforcing rules which otherwise don’t get followed.
Privileged people were unfortunately resistant to redistributing that privilege justly and that meant there was room and probably need for action to be taken and that’s what gave rise to said organizations.
For someone on the wrong side of this privilege inequity, “we’re working on it, just wait another generation or two” isn’t a good enough answer.

 

[REM]

Privileged people were unfortunately resistant to redistributing that privilege justly and that meant there was room and probably need for action to be taken and that’s what gave rise to said organizations.
For someone on the wrong side of this privilege inequity, “we’re working on it, just wait another generation or two” isn’t a good enough answer.

Who are these privileged people, and why do they owe other people a debt? Can you get specific here?

 

[hemiarch]

Who are these privileged people, and why do they owe other people a debt? Can you get specific here?

Those people who either personally or by inheritance were given positions of power and wealth they weren’t necessarily the most deserving of at the expense of those who were deprived of said positions despite being the best person for the job.
What you’re trying to do with your question is hide behind the complexity of figuring out that tangled mess which is incredibly difficult.
But just because it’s difficult doesn’t mean it doesn’t have to happen. You can either say fuck it, or spend the time and effort to try make it right.
If you happen to not be one of the people who were wronged, the “fuck it” answer is obviously way more appealing.
Most things that are truly worth doing or having are quite difficult and painful to obtain.
How to figure it out and what to do about it without inadvertently causing more counterdiscrimination in the process is perhaps the most difficult question of the post-discriminatory America we should all be striving for.
It’s this last part that you’re obviously most concerned about @REM . Me too. Why? Because everyone sees discrimination through their own lens. What most affects them.
Again, difficult, yes, impossible no.

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