Another setback for the Cybertruck

[TexasRaider]

FSD and Autosteer (early autopilot?) were more usable IMO on my 18' M3 with the old 2.5 computer. Besides the lane wandering issues I've had FSD in CT go 58Mph on a completely empty Interstate (75MPH speed limit, Was set to hurry with a max of 85). Let it crawl for 15 miles or so and I couldn't take it anymore. It also likes the left lane for cruising not just passing. Seems to have taken a few steps back. For me it's a worthless feature, which is beat by my 02' Toyota Land Cruiser's cruise control.

My 17MS stack is much better also. It’ll be a few years until the CT stack is where we would like it to be. It’s just part of the journey.

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[Little Mule]

Close is subjective. Most likely a mile off……

 

[Beetlebug62]

What’s funny to me is how some of you think you’re in a position to police how somebody else feels about their $100,000 purchase. That’s funny! [Not funny, “ha ha;”funny like — “cuckoo.”]

The Cybertruck is a laggard in many respects. This is undeniable and if this is your only Tesla you’re probably going to feel a way about it.

I’ve been on FSD since the first public beta. Yes, it’s going to ebb and flow. That’s not the same thing as a vehicle that was sold as the “pinnacle flagship” not having the same basic features as an entry-level Tesla.

You’re cool with that? Great! What I want to know is why some of you think that somebody else having a different opinion about their vehicle has anything to do with you?

The fucking temerity!

“Self loathing?” I think that’s your problem— you are not your car! Or maybe you are man; but I sure as shit ain’t and I don’t think anybody healthy is. Get a grip!

Huh?!? I "police"d someone?

You've lost it completely. Take a look in the mirror.

 

[dalton108]

Huh?!? I "police"d someone?

You've lost it completely. Take a look in the mirror.

Sure champ! <click>

 

[riggster]

It's becoming pretty evident that Tesla really doesn't care nor places priority anymore on the Cybertruck. Had the sales matched the pre-orders, I feel like we would all be in a different boat; enjoying all the benefits that other models get.

1) FSD is fundamentally a joke - either gets uncomfortably close to other vehicles, curbing, keeps hugging either the left/right part of the lane (instead of being dead center), and/or runs the wipers dry on a sunny day. In some safety critical situations, it just turns into the wrong side of the road / divider.
2) No Actual Smart Summon - not even providing users with a dumb summon in the meantime until they can figure out how to implement ASS - I have a feeling this will never come and will be cancelled like Autopilot.
3) Cancelled Autopilot - Tesla completely gave up on their Autopilot venture for non-FSD users, which is huge given every Tesla to date used to have the basic Autopilot feature.
4) and now this: S and X will be getting an overhaul when it comes to the next revision of FSD. Thanks to their vehicles having a dedicated GPU, it will be using Unreal Engine moving forward to push the next generation of FSD Visualizations - similar to 10.10 software seen in the CyberCab. For the longest time, especially given the price of the Foundation Series, I thought the Cybertruck will at least share the same processor as the S and the X - not the 3 and Y. However, Grok just confirmed the Cybertruck only has 2 TFlops vs the dedicated GPU S and X have at 10 TFlops therefore it won't be able to ever run Unreal Engine.

If only the Cybertruck had sold well... none of us would be in this situation.

Sounds like someone's Cybertruck honeymoon phase ended faster than Epstein's prison stint. I understand that FSD isn't perfect yet, but I straight-up love mine and slap it on every drive. It's the Tesla superpower that keeps me coming back for more.

But hey, if you're mourning the lack of Unreal Engine like it's the end of the world (because who doesn't need AAA graphics while dodging potholes?), and convinced Tesla's ghosting the Cybertruck, why not flip it? Sell that bad boy, snag an F-150 Lightning for your EV fix, and pair it with a Nintendo Switch for all the Unreal Engine glory your heart desires. Boom—problem solved, and you'll have a truck that won't irritate you with its dry wiper habits.

Me? I'm enjoying my Cybertruck as is, with zero regrets. If FSD continues to improve down the line, great; if not, it's still light-years ahead of staring at a dashboard that looks like it was designed in Microsoft Paint. Choices, my friend—life's full of 'em!

 

[OldDirtyRobot]

It's becoming pretty evident that Tesla really doesn't care nor places priority anymore on the Cybertruck. Had the sales matched the pre-orders, I feel like we would all be in a different boat; enjoying all the benefits that other models get.

1) FSD is fundamentally a joke - either gets uncomfortably close to other vehicles, curbing, keeps hugging either the left/right part of the lane (instead of being dead center), and/or runs the wipers dry on a sunny day. In some safety critical situations, it just turns into the wrong side of the road / divider.
2) No Actual Smart Summon - not even providing users with a dumb summon in the meantime until they can figure out how to implement ASS - I have a feeling this will never come and will be cancelled like Autopilot.
3) Cancelled Autopilot - Tesla completely gave up on their Autopilot venture for non-FSD users, which is huge given every Tesla to date used to have the basic Autopilot feature.
4) and now this: S and X will be getting an overhaul when it comes to the next revision of FSD. Thanks to their vehicles having a dedicated GPU, it will be using Unreal Engine moving forward to push the next generation of FSD Visualizations - similar to 10.10 software seen in the CyberCab. For the longest time, especially given the price of the Foundation Series, I thought the Cybertruck will at least share the same processor as the S and the X - not the 3 and Y. However, Grok just confirmed the Cybertruck only has 2 TFlops vs the dedicated GPU S and X have at 10 TFlops therefore it won't be able to ever run Unreal Engine.

If only the Cybertruck had sold well... none of us would be in this situation.


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Most of the issues being described had nothing to do with sales. They were decided well before the first truck shipped, or are part of introducing a vehicle that is different from the rest of the line up.

1) Hard disagree. I really don't understand the "two close to the line" thing I keep hearing. Maybe my truck is unicorn, but I haven't had any of the issues you are describing.

But I think it know what it might be. I rode with someone and in their new Model Y and watched them spaz out when trying to use FSD. They couldn't just relax, and let it do its thing. They would stare at the at the screen, which would cause system nags, but they didn't notice so it give them a strike. "FSD Sucks". They also took over constantly because it wasn't taking the route they would, or passing a car when they would, or pullout out when they would, etc. "FSD Sucks"

It made me realize that the FSD user experience has more do with the person than the tech. When I read "FSD sucks, I have it on my 2023 Y", I think about that person.

RANT: I've found Tesla's to be very intuitive, but riding with others has made me realize some people just don't adapt well. They are having a bad experience, but its rarely the car. These are the same people who lose their mind when their social media platform has a major update, or they have to move to a new version of outlook.

2) Who cares? Smart summon is party trick. If they add it, great, if they don't, who cares. I've used less than 5 times since having it.

3.) Who cares? I doubt Autopilot will exist as a feature much longer. It will be FSD Supervised, FSD Unsupervised, or maybe some version of FSD "light" that comes as a base feature. Tesla isn't going to spend time on Autopilot when they believe autonomy is the future.

4) This isn't new, and the decision to not add a dedicated GPU was made well before Tesla sold a single cybertruck. I doubt supporting unreal engine "visuals" was on the roadmap when the CT was in development. Welcome to the cycle of new things coming out.

Enjoy your truck, and remember, its just a truck.

 

[Mal]

Could just be me, but I don't get any of the angst about missing the unreal engine visualization on the display. I mean, if you tilt your head back 5 degrees you can look at the actual high-res real world in front of the display.

 

[REM]

I can't imagine coming to an enthusiast forum and posting FUD about the product lmao. Your rant shows you don't have a fundamental understanding of the FSD program, nor the realistic expectations or timeframe for maturation.

Some of you guys wouldn't be satisfied if Cybertruck ownership allowed you to piss liquid gold. You would complain that Tesla didn't give you a silver pan to catch it in.

 

[REM]

This self-loathing sadness is funny. My Model 3 did all that FSD nonsense when it first got the neural-net based version. It drifted right, it turned down the wrong lane, it got too close to curbs and ran over medians.

It got better, and so will the CT. It's too different in size to code-share the same FSD as the SXY3 vehicles, so it's at a development disadvantage. Use your CTs to get more video into the learning database.

yep. and I'm tired of trying to teach people how FSD works and instead of complaining they should drive the truck as much as possible and contribute to the training model. but I'd guess that the biggest complainers don't even have data share turned on so that their truck can help out.

 

[REM]

FSD and Autosteer (early autopilot?) were more usable IMO on my 18' M3 with the old 2.5 computer. Besides the lane wandering issues I've had FSD in CT go 58Mph on a completely empty Interstate (75MPH speed limit, Was set to hurry with a max of 85). Let it crawl for 15 miles or so and I couldn't take it anymore. It also likes the left lane for cruising not just passing. Seems to have taken a few steps back. For me it's a worthless feature, which is beat by my 02' Toyota Land Cruiser's cruise control.

Skill issue. You are delusional if you think a 2002 Toyota Land Cruiser is even same galaxy as FSD.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

We need a Cybertruck-specific controller. It was promised in March. I suspect that everything-FSD else related will improve after that. We just got back from a 1,000-mile trip and we used FSD a lot but most of my quips are associated with the ‘attitude’ that Tesla has given FSD; it is ‘not’ courteous and I find that particularly offensive.

 

[cyberdock]

The voice feedback is purely a placebo effect - it's to make the user believe that their feedback is being validated. The real feedback button is the one that @DirtyTesla or @ChuckCook have with the "snapshot" tool. The snapshot tool gets sent to actual engineers to evaluate. The voice feedback, if not placebo, at best is transcribed and perhaps categorized based on key words a person says for the Neural Net to train on. For months now, I have been trying to submit the fact that Canadian traffic lights operate much faster timing than American standard - from green to yellow to red. But still the truck passes a yellow light which quickly becomes a red making it seem like I just ran through a red light.

This self-loathing sadness is funny. My Model 3 did all that FSD nonsense when it first got the neural-net based version. It drifted right, it turned down the wrong lane, it got too close to curbs and ran over medians.

It got better, and so will the CT. It's too different in size to code-share the same FSD as the SXY3 vehicles, so it's at a development disadvantage. Use your CTs to get more video into the learning database.

self loathing is the right description

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Most of the issues being described had nothing to do with sales. They were decided well before the first truck shipped, or are part of introducing a vehicle that is different from the rest of the line up.

1) Hard disagree. I really don't understand the "two close to the line" thing I keep hearing. Maybe my truck is unicorn, but I haven't had any of the issues you are describing.

But I think it know what it might be. I rode with someone and in their new Model Y and watched them spaz out when trying to use FSD. They couldn't just relax, and let it do its thing. They would stare at the at the screen, which would cause system nags, but they didn't notice so it give them a strike. "FSD Sucks". They also took over constantly because it wasn't taking the route they would, or passing a car when they would, or pullout out when they would, etc. "FSD Sucks"

It made me realize that the FSD user experience has more do with the person than the tech. When I read "FSD sucks, I have it on my 2023 Y", I think about that person.

RANT: I've found Tesla's to be very intuitive, but riding with others has made me realize some people just don't adapt well. They are having a bad experience, but its rarely the car. These are the same people who lose their mind when their social media platform has a major update, or they have to move to a new version of outlook.

2) Who cares? Smart summon is party trick. If they add it, great, if they don't, who cares. I've used less than 5 times since having it.

3.) Who cares? I doubt Autopilot will exist as a feature much longer. It will be FSD Supervised, FSD Unsupervised, or maybe some version of FSD "light" that comes as a base feature. Tesla isn't going to spend time on Autopilot when they believe autonomy is the future.

4) This isn't new, and the decision to not add a dedicated GPU was made well before Tesla sold a single cybertruck. I doubt supporting unreal engine "visuals" was on the roadmap when the CT was in development. Welcome to the cycle of new things coming out.

Enjoy your truck, and remember, its just a truck.

I agree with the majority of what you said but I just came off a trip where FSD rode the left a(yellow) and right (white) lines enough to hit reflectors. Not all the time but a lot.

 

[Gaximus]

Is your theory that IF the truck had matched presale, a Tesla would upgrade our computers with better GPUs. The CT is an expensive vehicle. But not as premium as the X and S. Both the S and the X’s cheapest model are more expensive than the mid tier CT. They also have a cluster display, which I miss the most.

 

[BillyGee]

Disappointing that were getting left behind this early in the product cycle but FSD works well for me and the visualizations are still amazing.

I don't get all the hate, it works great and there's a good chance that future CPU packages will be interchangeable given that they always get smaller and more powerful. I can only imagine that in 10 years there will be packages as big as our phones that are as powerful as current gaming computers.

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