Auto park scratched my truck!

[timschoenfeler]

Yep, decided I'd let it try to squeeze into a tight space and it went back a forth a few times until it got so close it scratched it on the parking lot concrete column.

Any opinions on what Tesla might do if I approached them about this issue? I expect that they would revert to something like, "it is all supervised and I should have stepped in", but, that's kind of hard when it gets you stuck and the only way to get out is going to make scratches.

FSD also did something weird that was kind of scary. There was heavy traffic getting off a freeway ramp and it couldn't get to the right lane as we approached a light where we needed to make a right turn. I decided to let it go and see what it would do (I don't recommend this anymore) and it waited until there was a very small break in the traffic in the right lane and turned

abruptly across it. That's right, a right turn from the center lane with traffic approaching. So much for it being "safer than humans" although I've seen a lot humans do this too.

Wait, maybe that's it. AI following it training set given to it from human behavior.

I had the issue of it not even trying to get into the turning lane a couple times recently and have reported it( I have had to report things like it wanting to drive on the shoulder also .. sometimes it tries anything but center between the lines).

I haven't been unlucky enough to get my truck scratched by it yet.

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[2000prerunner]

Almost looks like mine now! This is sandstone rash…

I think one of the best things about the stainless is the rust prevention after scratching it. My Tacoma has so many off road rashes that I constantly need to sand and keep rust free. Even the aftermarket sliders, aftermarket lower control arms and rear bumper require rust maintenance from all the scratches . I got an aluminum CBI front bumper which needs no protection, and I used stainless steel when I welded up my shock hoops in the rear bed area so they don’t rust.
for my cyber, I’m definitely gonna try to purchase either aluminum or stainless steel aftermarket bumpers or sliders. If they don’t offer anything like that, I’ll just have to fabricate my own, but I hate working with aluminum and stainless bc they are much harder to work with vs mild steel .

 

[Roger@CYBERTRUCKco]

I think one of the best things about the stainless is the rust prevention after scratching it. My Tacoma has so many off road rashes that I constantly need to sand and keep rust free. Even the aftermarket sliders, aftermarket lower control arms and rear bumper require rust maintenance from all the scratches . I got an aluminum CBI front bumper which needs no protection, and I used stainless steel when I welded up my shock hoops in the rear bed area so they don’t rust.
for my cyber, I’m definitely gonna try to purchase either aluminum or stainless steel aftermarket bumpers or sliders. If they don’t offer anything like that, I’ll just have to fabricate my own, but I hate working with aluminum and stainless bc they are much harder to work with vs mild steel .

We agree! All of our racks are 100% American made stainless steel, and we use aluminum for our sliders and bumpers to save weight.

You can find our offroad stuff here https://cybertruckco.com/product-category/tesla-cybertruck-off-road-accessories/

We have front mirror motor covers as well as battery armor coming out next week with the rear bumper.

Use coupon NOTARIFFSHERE for 10% off, hope that helps

 

[txtravwill]

Yep, decided I'd let it try to squeeze into a tight space and it went back a forth a few times until it got so close it scratched it on the parking lot concrete column.

Any opinions on what Tesla might do if I approached them about this issue? I expect that they would revert to something like, "it is all supervised and I should have stepped in", but, that's kind of hard when it gets you stuck and the only way to get out is going to make scratches.

FSD also did something weird that was kind of scary. There was heavy traffic getting off a freeway ramp and it couldn't get to the right lane as we approached a light where we needed to make a right turn. I decided to let it go and see what it would do (I don't recommend this anymore) and it waited until there was a very small break in the traffic in the right lane and turned

abruptly across it. That's right, a right turn from the center lane with traffic approaching. So much for it being "safer than humans" although I've seen a lot humans do this too.

Wait, maybe that's it. AI following it training set given to it from human behavior.

Don't expect any action from Tesla. It is all supervised by you. I really don't trust any FSD functions including parking unless it's an easier maneuver. Even then it can screw up or take 3x longer.

On parking really only works in normal spots with clear lines or cars. Has issues judging anything above the ground in height and distance without ultrasonic sensors now.

 

[HaulingAss]

Yep, decided I'd let it try to squeeze into a tight space and it went back a forth a few times until it got so close it scratched it on the parking lot concrete column.

Any opinions on what Tesla might do if I approached them about this issue? I expect that they would revert to something like, "it is all supervised and I should have stepped in", but, that's kind of hard when it gets you stuck and the only way to get out is going to make scratches.

FSD also did something weird that was kind of scary. There was heavy traffic getting off a freeway ramp and it couldn't get to the right lane as we approached a light where we needed to make a right turn. I decided to let it go and see what it would do (I don't recommend this anymore) and it waited until there was a very small break in the traffic in the right lane and turned

abruptly across it. That's right, a right turn from the center lane with traffic approaching. So much for it being "safer than humans" although I've seen a lot humans do this too.

Wait, maybe that's it. AI following it training set given to it from human behavior.

Tesla will only accept responsibility when it becomes "Unsupervised".

Doesn't anyone read the legal agreements of the products and services they employ anymore? It's all spelled out so there is no grey area.

 

[btcrealm]

We agree! All of our racks are 100% American made stainless steel, and we use aluminum for our sliders and bumpers to save weight.

You can find our offroad stuff here https://cybertruckco.com/product-category/tesla-cybertruck-off-road-accessories/

We have front mirror motor covers as well as battery armor coming out next week with the rear bumper.

Use coupon NOTARIFFSHERE for 10% off, hope that helps

Are we seeing the V1 or V2 rear bumper here?!?

 

[Roger@CYBERTRUCKco]

Are we seeing the V1 or V2 rear bumper here?!?

V1. I’ll get some pictures of the final product posted next week or 2 as soon as the swing away rear tire carrier is done

 

[MadMaxTX]

Tesla will only accept responsibility when it becomes "Unsupervised".

Doesn't anyone read the legal agreements of the products and services they employ anymore? It's all spelled out so there is no grey area.

It was never "unsupervised", was watching everything intently. It made a sudden small, quick move that jammed it against the pole before I could react. And there are always grey areas in such documents.

In some states, there are specific laws that say you cannot "sign away" your rights. I'm not sure how widespread that is but it should be universal. Releases, waivers, NDAs, etc. are usually crafted by lawyers to try to shift all of the responsibility to the other party. That's what they are for but sometimes they don't stand up in court because they overreach. I have seen releases that say they have no liability even in the case of willful actions of misconduct on their part. So one can never assume that there's no course of action. Of course we all know, and I said, that they would give the "supervised" answer. So, I don't "expect" anything from Tesla, but I will discuss it with them and see their reaction.

I report this because it has some different characteristics than the typical FSD issues I have experienced and read about. Maybe others will find this provocative and useful.

1. This was not a dynamic problem. The vehicle was essentially still.
2. The auto park movements can be very jerky on CT -- it appears to be iterative, which is how it got itself in a jam.
3. Resolution of the data space is very low compared to previous Tesla equipment with other sensors. Our original M3 showed very clear images of objects and gave accurate distances (in inches). It seems to be a Musk quest to do it all with "vision". That's kind, of foolish from my perspective, but that's how it is.
4. As a result, it is not aware of its tolerances with enough accuracy to avoid hitting a stationary object at very low speeds -- say less than an inch/sec. This did surprise me. After all, it has the proximity "heat maps".
5. In close situations, it seems not to model the movement of the car accurately, e.g., not taking rear steering into account (I'm guessing).
6. I'm guessing that these all worked together to allow the scrape.

As far as liability, I expect Tesla is completely aware of these issues but I don't recall any specific discussion of these aspects in regards to FSD and Auto Park. So there could be issues with them withholding or downplaying inconvenient information. Indeed, their thrust is to try like crazy to convince people to buy and use FSD and then our of the other side of their mouth they say, but you can't trust it. This is an ambiguous position to say the least.

I would say, generally, it's better than it was (except for the dumbing down of the sensors), but it has always been worse than Tesla portrays it. So I think there is probably shared responsibility for such things. I am culpable for trusting it too much, that's for sure. But I think they should have said more about tolerances and perhaps given some guidance from experimental data. Maybe they did and I missed it?

Take it all for what it's worth to you, it's just FYI and IMO.

 

[MadMaxTX]

That will buff out

Yeah, I wish , but not really. It changed the color a little though.

 

[riggster]

CT is my 5th Tesla. I think the boundaries are NOT well defined.

In tight situations, or even close traffic in construction zones, I take over FSD with the CT when I would NOT have taken over with, say, a Model Y.

Same with parking and backing. I don't think the rear lines are representative of the ACTUAL position of the truck. When I back into our garage, and line of the white lines in the camera it's NOT centered.

ANYTHING tight with the CT in its current FSD version I would be VERY CAREFUL.

This does not frustrate me - I have had FSD since the start so know how it started years go. It was not that much different in 2018 with car boundaries (after 2016 I think 2018 was the first time it was actually usable).

Today with CT, questionable at best. SUPERVISED.

I think Tesla should have made this more clear - but they always remind you it's supervised and not FULL self driving. But an additional warning, "...CT boundaries are still being defined..." would have been helpful.

I saw a YouTube video yesterday where a lot of people got to ask one of the lead engineers of the CyberTruck questions. One of the questions had to do with the camera placement on the Cybertruck. He stated the camera placement was made to match other Tesla cars as closely as possible so their data could also be used for the cybertruck until they had enough video data to do native training for the cybertruck using cybertruck video data.

 

[DeanSirovica]

Same happened to me in a Vancouver underground garage using autopark. It scratched into a large concrete post on the same rearend as OP showed. Its like it was unaware that the rear wheels turn too! Luckily it just hit with the steel panel and somehow didn't hit the plastic bumper-I am sure that would have cracked. I now am stressed when autoparking which defeats the whole point! There is no way one can take over as its too late to do so.

 

[ChiTechGuy]

Since when did cybertruck have Autopark? Currently Running FSD release 13.2.8 and this is not an option yet.

You have to go near parking spots and your screen will show areas to park, you will see a "P" by the parking space, press it and click "Park" and the truck will park itself.

 

[babablacksheep]

Same happened to me in a Vancouver underground garage using autopark. It scratched into a large concrete post on the same rearend as OP showed. Its like it was unaware that the rear wheels turn too! Luckily it just hit with the steel panel and somehow didn't hit the plastic bumper-I am sure that would have cracked. I now am stressed when autoparking which defeats the whole point! There is no way one can take over as its too late to do so.

Would be nice if there was a way to shut off rear wheel steering for times when you want to back into a tight spot.

 

[JCERRN]

CT is my 5th Tesla. I think the boundaries are NOT well defined.

In tight situations, or even close traffic in construction zones, I take over FSD with the CT when I would NOT have taken over with, say, a Model Y.

Same with parking and backing. I don't think the rear lines are representative of the ACTUAL position of the truck. When I back into our garage, and line of the white lines in the camera it's NOT centered.

ANYTHING tight with the CT in its current FSD version I would be VERY CAREFUL.

This does not frustrate me - I have had FSD since the start so know how it started years go. It was not that much different in 2018 with car boundaries (after 2016 I think 2018 was the first time it was actually usable).

Today with CT, questionable at best. SUPERVISED.

I think Tesla should have made this more clear - but they always remind you it's supervised and not FULL self driving. But an additional warning, "...CT boundaries are still being defined..." would have been helpful.

I think the lines represent the paths of the tires, not the edges of the truck.

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