Charging time (to 100%) for Cybertruck?

[Old Pro]

I've read on this forum and elsewhere the charging time for the CT to 100% is rather lengthy. Beyond what I am used to on my wife's 2018 Model 3 Long Range.
Can anyone explain why that is?

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[HaulingAss]

I've read on this forum and elsewhere the charging time for the CT to 100% is rather lengthy. Beyond what I am used to on my wife's 2018 Model 3 Long Range.
Can anyone explain why that is?

I don't know anyone who charges to 100% unless they do it overnight to kickstart a longer journey or to finish a day with a lot of driving without making a quick Supercharge stop. At a Supercharger, the only incentive to charge to 100% (or close to that) is if you are going into a remote area without Superchargers. With the recent proliferation of Superchargers, that is becoming increasingly rare edge case.

But to answer your question directly, it's because the battery on the Cybertruck is over 60% larger than the battery on your wife's 2018 Model 3 Long Range. Just like a bigger gas tank takes longer to fill up, so does a bigger battery. In a vehicle that is bigger, with a higher drag coefficient, it takes more energy to travel the same distance. The Model 3 is still the king of long, fast trips.

 

[ituner-HF]

I've read on this forum and elsewhere the charging time for the CT to 100% is rather lengthy. Beyond what I am used to on my wife's 2018 Model 3 Long Range.
Can anyone explain why that is?

Cybetruck chargers are faster (in terms of kHw absorbed) than Model 3 but overall it takes longer, which has to do with both battery capacity and current 400V limitation. It can be confusing, the differences are not that great 80kwh vs 123 vs the total range.

 

[Cybertruck 1974]

watch Kyle on Out of Spec. they charge to 100 and like above said. Same, just a bigger battery. I myself have not charged to 100 yet but at a 150kw I put 100 miles on mine in 15 minutes.

 

[Woodrick]

I've read on this forum and elsewhere the charging time for the CT to 100% is rather lengthy. Beyond what I am used to on my wife's 2018 Model 3 Long Range.
Can anyone explain why that is?

You can probably expect that same charge rate that the Model 3 gets. But since the battery is 50% bigger, expect about 50% longer. It's the penalty all large trucks get.

 

[Old Pro]

I don't know anyone who charges to 100% unless they do it overnight to kickstart a longer journey or to finish a day with a lot of driving without making a quick Supercharge stop. At a Supercharger, the only incentive to charge to 100% (or close to that) is if you are going into a remote area without Superchargers. With the recent proliferation of Superchargers, that is becoming increasingly rare edge case.

But to answer your question directly, it's because the battery on the Cybertruck is over 60% larger than the battery on your wife's 2018 Model 3 Long Range. Just like a bigger gas tank takes longer to fill up, so does a bigger battery. In a vehicle that is bigger, with a higher drag coefficient, it takes more energy to travel the same distance. The Model 3 is still the king of long, fast trips.

Here's my logic in asking the question in the manner I did. The range of the CT I have placed a reservation for is 240 miles as I understand it. Round trip to Grandma's house in Los Angeles from San Diego is approximately 240 miles. (Annual tamale XMAS run!) There is a Tesla charging station at the Del Amo Shopping Center my spouse has used for her Model 3 LR. Push come to shove if I
made the trip without recharging in L.A. was the basis of my question.

 

[Woodrick]

Here's my logic in asking the question in the manner I did. The range of the CT I have placed a reservation for is 240 miles as I understand it. Round trip to Grandma's house in Los Angeles from San Diego is approximately 240 miles. (Annual tamale XMAS run!) There is a Tesla charging station at the Del Amo Shopping Center my spouse has used for her Model 3 LR. Push come to shove if I
made the trip without recharging in L.A. was the basis of my question.

Here's the way to make it not a problem. On the way back from Grandma's, (not going) find a charger over half-way. Pull in, spend 5 minutes and you should arrive home with plenty to spare.

The whole secret to charging it to only chare when the battery is nearly empty.

Just Saturday in my Model 3 I pulled in nearly empty (<10%) and started charging at over 1,000 mph. In about 10 minutes, the charge rate had dropped to 50 mph, but I was already charged back up to 50%.

That's basically 0 to 50 in about 10 minutes.

But you might have to stop earlier this year as you may have to do a number of test drives with the family!

 

[HaulingAss]

Here's my logic in asking the question in the manner I did. The range of the CT I have placed a reservation for is 240 miles as I understand it. Round trip to Grandma's house in Los Angeles from San Diego is approximately 240 miles. (Annual tamale XMAS run!) There is a Tesla charging station at the Del Amo Shopping Center my spouse has used for her Model 3 LR. Push come to shove if I
made the trip without recharging in L.A. was the basis of my question.

I still don't understand why your scenario makes Supercharging to 100% relevant.

When I have a day that will basically take a 100% of the battery to complete, I charge to 90% at home and make a quick 5-minute charge stop before I arrive back home. If I thought I could complete the trip with a 100% charge and have a margin of 5% when I arrive home, I might charge to 100% at home to avoid the 5-minute charge stop. In neither of these cases would I charge to 100% at a Supercharger.

 

[Old Pro]

I guess it's relevant to me based on my experience from charging my wife's 2018 Model 3 LR. Trying to apply my real world experience to unknowns for the CT on a learning curve. We are lucky we too can charge at home, 80% for daily use, 100% for trips. We have only used the Supercharger a handful of times when traveling. Usually on as far as San Diego to L.A.

 

[kpanda17]

I don't know anyone who charges to 100% unless they do it overnight to kickstart a longer journey or to finish a day with a lot of driving without making a quick Supercharge stop. At a Supercharger, the only incentive to charge to 100% (or close to that) is if you are going into a remote area without Superchargers. With the recent proliferation of Superchargers, that is becoming increasingly rare edge case.

But to answer your question directly, it's because the battery on the Cybertruck is over 60% larger than the battery on your wife's 2018 Model 3 Long Range. Just like a bigger gas tank takes longer to fill up, so does a bigger battery. In a vehicle that is bigger, with a higher drag coefficient, it takes more energy to travel the same distance. The Model 3 is still the king of long, fast trips.

as already published, the CT does not have a great charging curve
Taycan has an amazing charging curve, flatter for longer and then the drop off
CT charging curve, starts dropping earlier than the Taycan, results in longer charge
btw, the Lightening has a horrible charging curve

 

[HaulingAss]

as already published, the CT does not have a great charging curve
Taycan has an amazing charging curve, flatter for longer and then the drop off
CT charging curve, starts dropping earlier than the Taycan, results in longer charge
btw, the Lightening has a horrible charging curve

The Cybertruck can take on more kWh in 30 minutes than the Model 3. The reason it still takes longer to charge to 100% is because the battery is bigger. In any case, people don't charge to 100% at Superchargers, which was my primary point. In my Model 3 which has a great charging curve, I generally unplug at 50-65% state of charge. I will do the same with the Cybertruck if I'm road tripping. I want that battery well under 20% when I pull into the Supercharger.

I think you will see big improvements in Cybertrucks charging speeds when Tesla releases Ver. 4 Superchargers that can go up to 1000V.

 

[kpanda17]

The Cybertruck can take on more kWh in 30 minutes than the Model 3. The reason it still takes longer to charge to 100% is because the battery is bigger. In any case, people don't charge to 100% at Superchargers, which was my primary point. In my Model 3 which has a great charging curve, I generally unplug at 50-65% state of charge. I will do the same with the Cybertruck if I'm road tripping. I want that battery well under 20% when I pull into the Supercharger.

I think you will see big improvements in Cybertrucks charging speeds when Tesla releases Ver. 4 Superchargers that can go up to 1000V.

I thought there is an EA 350 kw charge example with the Cybertruck, that would be good to see
as true front and back end V4 SCs are not available yet

 

[kpanda17]

my bad, now I remember that the CCS adapter is not compatible with the CT
we are waiting for a SW update

come on Tesla, need to show your amazing engineering, have Lars or Drew video a charge

 

[Woodrick]

Charging curves for the Model 3 and Cybertruck or similar at similar percent of charge.

But the ~70 kWh Model 3 battery is just about half that of the 123 kWh Cybertruck battery. So if you are charging on the same plug at home, it's going to take the Cybertruck nearly twice as long to go from 0 to 100%.

But who does that? Even when you are road tripping to Grandmas, you didn't start with 0% the night before, you started with maybe 70%.

And as I said in basically the same thread somewhere else, if you have to stop, just stop on the way home after grandmas and as close to home as possible.
0-10% takes about 5 minutes at a Supercharger
90-100% will probably take over 30 minutes at just about any plug. A Supercharger isn't going to be any faster than just about any other plug (except for 120V).

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