Cybertruck Highway Range Test (Dual-Motor AWD) -- Run Until Battery Empty (by Out Of Spec)

[scottf200]

The Cybercell - the gen2 4680 - in the CTs has the same 269wh/kg rating as the 2170 batteries (270wh/kg) - so the range would really not be better had they used a 2170 battery pack. The charging curve/performance however - at least from early reports - doesn't seem to be any better than the Gen 1 4680 packs that were shipping with the MY AWDs from Gigatexas previously - and that's definitely disappointing. We'll have to pay close attention to additional charging curve data as it comes in - and hope that Tesla improves the charging times much like they did with the M3 when it first came out.

Not sure if you've seen this post but the next iteration sounds promising.

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.co...ery-chemical-makeup-coming.11142/#post-222207

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[canyoncarver]

The absolute vast majority of my changing is done during "off-peak" and "super off-peak" at $.08 and $.03. Not only is that price super high, but it ignores the charging schedule for most people.

You might not be aware but vast parts of the country (the majority I would guess) do not offer time of day charging rates.

Even in my area that does offer them the off-peak rate is a lot more than the rates you show.

 

[Longranger]

This is not just a new model of the same truck that has been hashed out for 100+ years. This is an entirely new platform. It will take time to mature and for costs to come down for mass adoption.

The only people that will own one for the next 2 years will be enthusiasts and the wealthy or both.

I agree.

 

[intimidator]

I understand. I'm in the same boat. I can pay in full, but I'm financing with a $900/month payment for the Cyberbeast. It's a lot of money and I don't even want a truck. I was suckered in with the $70k msrp and 500 miles of range. I'm waiting for a VIN, but next week, I am scheduled to test drive a Lucid GT and Ravian R1S. Both are cheaper with the Lucid GT 516 miles at 113K and R1S at $83k (used). It doesn't matter if I don't go through with the Cybertruck. Someone else in line will snap it up. The demand for it is still huge. I assume we won't see a dip in the next 18 to 24 months. It'll be interesting to see the used market in 2025.

Also, there are plenty buying $100k trucks. Look at the Bronco, RTX, and Raptor. They still have dealer markups because of the demand. Tesla is just doing their own manufacture markup. I was a line waiter for my Model 3. I bought my RWD at $54k and LR at $64k. They were all hidden markups by Tesla because of demand. I was also suckered into a Model 3 because at the time, it was a $35k car. History repeats.

I think only 30,000 Raptors are sold each year. Not a giant #.

 

[Woodrick]

450 miles isn't what's on the Silverado website right now. It's now showing 400.

But until it is ready for production, it's all marketing.

 

[Woodrick]

The good news is this shrinks the range gap between the CT and Cyberbeast even smaller! I need to rationalize spending 20k, dont take this away from me.

Don't fool yourself, there's no justification. Stupidly faster with less range ....
The slowest Tesla is significantly faster than most any other car.

Well, it will pay off as you pick up the truck the that sh$$ eating grin and then every time you show the truck off to someone.

 

[REM]

You might not be aware but vast parts of the country (the majority I would guess) do not offer time of day charging rates.

Even in my area that does offer them the off-peak rate is a lot more than the rates you show.

M8, I think you have that backwards. I don't know of a single electric provider that doesn't offer cheaper rates to encourage usage outside of peak load times.

 

[Woodrick]

So the CT saves you $300 per year and maybe another $100-$200 a year in maintenance costs since for the first five years the maintenance on modern trucks is rather inexpensive.

You also have to change tires on the CT far more frequently though, have to buy and install an HPWC if you don't already have one, the CT will lose about 10% of its original range in the first 2-3 years, etc.

I can see the pro and con side of both ICE and EV. Never going to understand people who feel they have to exaggerate things to win an argument.

CT should work out very well for people who live and drive in areas with big supercharger infrastructures for their longer trips and who don’t need to normally tow/haul heavy loads significant distances. The acceleration, technology, etc. will truly be amazing, but it will be a very tough sell for die hard long time truck owners… too many compromises.

You forgot oil and filter changes. And the yearly maintenance checks.
Why do you think that you have to change the Cybertruck's wheels more often? Drive it and your comparison the same, the tires should be pretty close.
This will be my fifth EV. EVSEs have already been amortized and If I were a first time buyer, it would be amortized moving forward.

And the number of locations without big supercharger infrastructures is dwindling rapidly. Actually you have to work hard to find one these days.

 

[Woodrick]

Ford has been king of truck sales for a reason. They understand what the buying public wants. Yes that includes the huge number of buyers that mainly use theirs as an SUV. The CT is just too much vehicle for most buyers just like a Raptor. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Raptor, gas mileage excluded, but who needs that power and specialized off-road abilities for runs to Home Depot or construction. Elons calculus is making this a rich niche. Truck just like the Rivian.

Ford has NEVER understood what it's buying public wants. EVERY buyer tends to settle for something.

 

[GuyV]

Whatever, I'll just get the range extender anyway

At least there's that option. Perhaps someday if sales slide Tesla will be teasing a great price on that as a sales incentive.

 

[Woodrick]

You might not be aware but vast parts of the country (the majority I would guess) do not offer time of day charging rates.

Even in my area that does offer them the off-peak rate is a lot more than the rates you show.

But it does then to have winter vs summer rates. I'm around 6 cents right now.

 

[GuyV]

Ford has NEVER understood what it's buying public wants. EVERY buyer tends to settle for something.

The more buyers you have, the more they want different things.

 

[GuyV]

Aaah, long charge times will not be great, but that is more of a nuisance, as opposed to trying to make it across the middle of Pennsylvania going North and South and the Charging stations are 220 miles apart. Sigh.

Seriously? That's pretty bad, but it should be a lot cheaper for Tesla to fix that, especially with the subsidies, than to significantly increase Cybertruck range.

 

[GuyV]

I can't wait to see someone tear the battery pack open. If it's stuffed full with 4680's, I agree with everyone else that this is terrible and pretty disappointing. They will have to figure out a way to double stack the pack if they still want to sell this thing in 3-4 years.

If they see a market they can add an upsized version by then with larger pack and capacity overall. It's not like truck manufacturers haven't done that before. This one was clearly aimed at compromises for a number of reasons, which makes perfectly good sense given its already extreme character.

 

[Woodrick]

The more buyers you have, the more they want different things.

Sure, but when they take every car or truck and make it bigger and bigger and wonder why sales decrease and then bring in a new model that the original size of the model they just retired.

The F-150 used to be the size of the Maverick, but they made the F-150 bigger and bigger and had to introduce the Ranger and continued to make the Ranger and F-150 bigger and bigger until they just introduced the Maverick, which will probably go through the same thing.

Another great example if the Thunderbird, which started as a small sports car and grew into a land yacht. Which they discontinued because sales were low. But alas, they brought it back as a sports car.

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